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How important are "Buff ties" to you with the coaching hire?

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Buffnik, Nov 28, 2010.

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How important is it that the next HC have CU ties?

  1. Extremely

    11 vote(s)
    12.4%
  2. Somewhat (maybe a tiebreaker consideration)

    41 vote(s)
    46.1%
  3. Irrelevant

    37 vote(s)
    41.6%
  1. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I think Buff ties are exceptionally important to most of our fans this time around. Much more important than they usually are to people.

    Let's face it. Some of the candidates getting interviewed by CU (McCartney, Embree, Bieniemy, Cabral) are not even near the conversation for any of the other job openings around the country. And a guy like Calhoun, who is getting mentioned for other jobs, is CU enemy #1 on the Buff message boards.

    Please vote honestly. And please share why you believe (or don't believe) that an "in the family" hire is important for our next head coach.
     
  2. ScottyBuff

    ScottyBuff Well-Known Member

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    existing "Buff ties" to me aren't a major factor.

    Embracing the tradition, culture, and reaching out to the Buff family is VERY important for the next HC to do. But it doesn't mean he has to come from that fraternity, IMO.
     
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  3. Buffalo Brad

    Buffalo Brad Club Member Club Member

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    At this point, I think they should go out and get the best guy that they can for $2 million that we have available. That means not limitiing it to the enemy in CO Springs though as he should not be the best we can do for that kind of money. Ties to CU mean nothing to me in this search.
     
  4. buff4bcs1985

    buff4bcs1985 Hail to the King

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    i want public access to the votes damn it
     
  5. DesertDawg526

    DesertDawg526 Resident Dawg Club Member

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    Here's my take as a Husky fan...

    Our beloved "Dawgfather" aka Don James (McCartney for CU) had no ties prior to making UW into a consistent contender. He came from Kent St.

    I'm not sure what McCartney's ties may have been...

    Though I didn't initially like the hire of Coach Sarkisian due to his lack of experience and ties to the program (i.e. Jim Mora, Jr.), he's turned out to be a great hire so far in terms of recruiting, re-connecting the team to the fanbase, changing expectations with improved strength and conditioning, and a phenomenal job of changing the losing mentality of our players prior to his arrival. My opinion of him changed quickly when I got to see what he was about.

    That, said, I view ties to the program as Gravy on top. It's irrelevant, but if a coach has it even better. More important is the hiring of the best coach possible for the job if they truly stand out after the interviews and body of work. Hire the coach most likely to get the Buffs competing for titles quickly and over the long term...
     
  6. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    Good poll because there seems to be alot of emphasis on this issue with this hire. I've always felt that "family ties" are very over-rated when it comes to a CU coaching hire, or any college hire for that matter. Plus if you put alot of weight on the family ties, then you're potentially excluding other very viable candidates.
     
  7. InTheBuff

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    The athletic department is in dire need of an infusion of cash & support. Hiring EB, Mac or even Miles would "keep it in the family" and immediately get Colorado fans, ex-players, season ticket holders & donors on board. You would see increased ticket sales & donations and a sense of excitement would be back in Boulder as CU enters the Pac 12. There are so many 'un-tapped' fans out on the west coast just ready to climb aboard. Keeping it in the family" and CU gets a great shot of connecting with the California alumni.
    Hire Calhoun and there's a huge risk that the opposite could happen and you may see lost ticket sales and donations held back.
     
  8. CUBUFF80

    CUBUFF80 No Stinkin' Title Club Member

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    Don James was also on Eddie Crowder's staff and desperately wanted the CU job that went to Bill Mallory.
     
  9. DBT

    DBT Club Member Club Member

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    I don't think its Buff ties people really want. I think it is ties to our glory years. Mac had no ties at all to the Buffs. But he created a winning tradition.
     
  10. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Then why does Logan's name come up?
     
  11. Buffalo Brad

    Buffalo Brad Club Member Club Member

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    I do agree that the hire needs to respect the tradition and history of the program. Ties are not necessary to create this atmosphere.
     
  12. ScottyBuff

    ScottyBuff Well-Known Member

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    Sure, an "in the family" hire that evokes images of the 1990's glory years would bring "energy" to the program. But if they can't make it successful on the field it could backfire drastically and set us back even further than where we are now.

    Winning is all that matters. Donations, tickets, TV games, bowl games, recruits, etc. all come from winning. nothing else.
     
  13. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    I don't think a "in the family" hire can backfire, at all.

    Hire Bieniemy or McCartney and the cash is going to pour in like rain. There is no negative side effect to that.

    Whether they will ultimately win or lose is unknown. I do not think that anyone is going to win next year, be it Bill McCartney, Eric Bieniemy, or Troy Calhoun. The schedule is just that tough. But if you hire someone OUTSIDE the CU family - it's going to take WINS to get the money. Which means you're going to be behind the eight ball even more if you hire Calhoun or someone like that.
     
  14. SINKRATZ

    SINKRATZ Club Member Club Member

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    It's irrelevant. Look at the current BCS top 25, you will hardly see any school with an alum as HC - Gundy at OSU and Beamer at VT are the only two I can think of.
     
  15. DBT

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    Because he's the greatest high school coach in Colorado history and because their are a lot of folks out there who don't know what the hell they are talking about.
     
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  16. InTheBuff

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    BINGO - I agree 100%
     
  17. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    :smile2:

    Rep
     
  18. DesertDawg526

    DesertDawg526 Resident Dawg Club Member

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    Didn't know that. Thanks! Interesting.
     
  19. DesertDawg526

    DesertDawg526 Resident Dawg Club Member

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    This.
     
  20. ScottyBuff

    ScottyBuff Well-Known Member

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    I can't disagree with all of what you say, but I think the "long-term" is much more important than the "short-term".

    As you say, next year is going to be brutal anyway. Financially and athletically.

    Getting the right CEO to help build a better future is the most important factor. If that means a "family member" then great. I think Mac can do what we need in this capacity. I don't feel that confident about EB or Embree.

    A "new blood" CEO with one of those guys as OC would be perfect blend of everything we need, IMO.
     
  21. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    don't matter at all. which is why I'm not so high on eB
     
  22. sliderNcider

    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    Whoever it is I'm just glad to know we can't get much worse than the Hawk years... atleast I hope
     
  23. Costa Rica Buff

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    School ties mean little unless that person is the best person for the job. Sure, some short money may come in out of the gate, but should the team continue to lose that will dry up fast.

    Hire the best person...period.
     
  24. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    Good point. Wannstedt has also done a decent job at Pitt but nothing spectacular. Marrone is an alum at Syracuse and while they're a far cry from the top 25, they're improving and it appears after 2 seasons that they have a good hire.
     
  25. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    mccartney
     
  26. BuffAlum2007

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    Chris Ault at Nevada as well...
     
  27. SINKRATZ

    SINKRATZ Club Member Club Member

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    So there's a few that went the alumni route:

    Ault
    Wandstedt
    Beamer
    Gundy

    And some others that didn't:

    Meyer
    Saban
    Tressel
    Stoops
    Mack Brown
    Bielema
    Gary Patterson
    Chris Petersen
    Miles
    Petrino
    Chip Kelly
    Chizik

    I prefer the second group. Get the best coach we can afford, and even stretch if we have to. CU can't let a few hundred thousand dollars prevent us from getting the best coach we can.
     
  28. Razorbuff

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    Tremendously if they can keep CU from hiring Houston Nutt. An interesting name is Ault at NV. What's the deal with not really looking at him? He might be older but I could see him as being a good hire.
     
  29. White_Rabbit

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    Not important to me at all. Get the best guy for the job. If EB wasn't an alum, he doesn't even get consideration for the job.
     
  30. CUFan

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    In the family brings cash and instant booster/fan support/interest. Even if the coach fails, the program will be better off.

    Conceptually, I do not think in the family should be a consideration, but for our current situation, I think it matters quite a bit.
     

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