Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Dunken, Feb 17, 2010.
In my worthless opinion, I think CU decided to keep Hawkins for the Pac-10 move. My high school had to move up a class and to a different conference and with a new coaching staff as well which resulted in 24 consecutive games lost for my high school. Plus Dan Hawkins recruits California so I think it'd be wise to keep DH if we do make the move. After two years in the Pac-10 which would be the same time that DH's contract is up, the Buffs should have a better idea of knowing what to do in the Pac in order to suceed.
Pete Carroll :lol:
If DH can't beat a first year ISU or KjSU coach, I'm pretty sure any Pac 10 coach would salivate over game planning against him. We'd need an upgrade.
Someone correct me if I am wrong but Hawkins has 3 years left on his contract (2010, 2011, 2012) and if we did move to the Pac-10 (12) it wouldnt be until 2012 because we have to fulfill the remaining 2 years on our Big 12 contract in order to avoid hefty $$ penalties. So he would be around for a year (a dismal year if we retain him that long) and we would in turn be starting our second year in a new conference with a new coaching staff.
It would make sense to get rid of him after this year, that way we can break in a new coach and staff in our last year in the Big 12
Assuming it takes two years to make the move - I say it would great to get a new coach in advance of the move so you could end up with a formidable team from the beginning (assuming Hawk fails again...and without any changes on the horizon I'm not optimistic he changes the trend). Take advantage of the excitement (and hopefully increased donations) generated from the move and get it ready to hit the ground running.
I am not sure who, but I have to believe the excitement of such a change would opent he doors to some nice possibilities for head coach.
In my mind, a conference move makes Hawkins' job status even more tenuous.
Assuming Hawkins produces results like he has every other year he has been here he will be gone, regardless of conference change or anything else.
As far as coaches, who knows at this point. Many canidates would take the job regardless of conference we are playing in. Almost any name you could mention would be better than what we have now.
Maybe CU can hold a contest during halftime of each game. Bring a fan out of the stands and let them be coach for the next game.
The 1st thing that comes to mind for me, is what kind of success Talkins has this year? If by chance or dumb luck he has two good seasons in a row. Then this becomes a moot point. Bohn would keep him. However, if he screws up again this year and the Buffs actually do join the P10, then I see the Buffs being able to attract not only a top HC, but good assistants as well. But something else would also have to change. The way our coaching staffs contracts are stipulated by state $$$ would have to be reworked. And thats always been a problem.
I've always believed that Dan Hawkins was HIRED as part of an expected move to the Pac Ten. I do not believe for one-second that these decisions are made within a year or two; this is part of a targeted plan (like hiring Mike Bohn away from San Diego State maybe?) to build upon our connections to the west coast for an expected move. The lack of our Texas recruiting "plan" I think has been by design as they didn't want to waste long-term investment in an area that would not be a practical recruiting area for us in a few years.
Hawkins' performance forced Bohn to take steps to can him so that CU wouldn't lose all interest prior to making a final formal appeal to the Pac Ten, as the big money sport saw decreased attendance and donations and could threaten to derail our bid to become a Pac Ten member. Benson squashed that due to in-state political moves.
I would not argue your points....everything about the Boise gang points west, maybe that was the long term plan. I doubt a less than .333 W-L record was though.
I'm curious about how CU would be able to attract better coaches if in the Pac 10. Is this just from the assumption that we gain a susbtantial monetary increase? If so, do we even know the project dollar amounts to know if it will be substantial? Or does the Pac 10 name give us more brand recognition and respect in the coaching fraternity?
And the conspiracy theories begin....:smile2:
I would not doubt what you said. I told fans of the other Big 12 teams on a Big 12 fan site SIX MONTHS ago that whoever replaced Dan Hawkins would reflect CU's future conference membership. After DH was retained, I took that as a sign that the Buffs are headed to the Pac-10 sooner than later and that was before all the Pac-10 expansion talk broke loose last week.
I don't doubt that CU could recruit in Texas if they really wanted to. Look at Iowa State...they have more Texas recruits than we do and we should be able to easily outdo ISU.
From Washington State dropping a game against Hawaii in 2011 to all the recent actions that CU has made, this is the worst kept serect that CU is Pac-10 bound if that happens.
This Pac-10 talk has gave the offseason a great jump start!
When CU joins the Pac-10, it could be expected that the west coast alumni steps up their support as in donations. I'd love to see some kind of information about how much the west coast Buffs donate to CU compared to the Colorado based Buffs.
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