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I dig this team, but not some of people who talk about it.

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by MalteseBuff, Oct 23, 2014.

  1. MalteseBuff

    MalteseBuff Member

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    I have read so many nay-saying posts on this site (and others), I had to register and chime in with, perhaps, a different perspective and support the Buffs as they turn an important corner.

    Frankly, I could really care less about wins and losses. Sure, I was in Miami for both years way back when, and the later was far more enjoyable than the former. But, I love the "form" of football. I like the chess game. I like the moments, outcome be damned. Enjoying winning is easy, but its also like reading poetry or literature only for the first reaction - and delving no deeper: Yes, Animal Farm was a fun story about pigs and horses, but look at how Crawley now looks back for the ball and locates it quickly compared to his Freshman year; consider that we are able conceive and "game plan" a "corners on an island" scheme; notice that there is almost always at least one receiver open on any play due to good route combinations and well-drilled fundamentals; realize that our receivers rarely drop balls within their "zone" (and are making a good number of circus catches - due to (I believe) a change in practice habits and catching tennis balls as rote: i.e., they have a really good conceptual receiver as receiver's coach); etc.

    Most importantly to me, when I watch a play this year, I see players understanding scheme and optimizing their talent far more clearly.

    Admittedly, there have been times over the past years when the "form" of CU football was less than satisfying. I think there was some horrible coaching for quite a few years. But, clearly that is no longer the case. The choices and plans that these coaches are working up are fun to watch. I look at the first two offensive plays from the USC game: two long runs off tackle with two different plays, taking advantage of a tendency in a "superior" front seven; I think the CU coaches considered that the USC front seven would have little respect for CU's offensive line and they would attach up-field aggressively right from the start. We didn't even bother to block Williams on the first play. You could see the thinking and the design. It was thoughtful and good chess. There were a great number of those types of concepts in that game.

    However, in chess the pieces do exactly what you tell them to do, in football that is not the case. The interception on the third offensive snap was rough, and clearly a mis-read by Sefo.

    I think it is often not discussed and overlooked that no player (or coach) is EVER a finished product; talent does not supplant experience, it just raises both the floor and ceiling of the potential. I think one moment in the USC game really brought home to me just how young and inexperienced our Buffs are: once, we took out Sefo and some of the starters at the start of the fourth quarter, there were a few camera shots of the faces of the CU players - especially the receivers; they looked far more like my 15 year old nephew with a huge helmet on than a college football player; they were thin, wide-eyed, and lacked the muscular develop that obviously will come with a few years of Div. I training under their belt. Teams in the Top 25 can introduce true freshmen into their line up in places - as the rest of the team is solid and more experienced (especially in a particular "system") around them. CU is just getting to the point where we have enough talented players with experience on the field to make a unit. In the modern age of football, the difference between good and great, and good and average is incredibly minor - which is why you hear every coach talking about a few plays here and there; it is also about a few players here and there, and a bit of experience here and there, etc.

    Football is a game of emotion. Emotional development takes time - in fact, recent brain studies has shown that the human brain is not fully formed until early 20's. While everyone is different, the last thing to develop generally is impulse control. If a Freshman is on a football field with other people who know what they are doing, it is going to "feel" different to him. When USC ends up with a big score quickly, that "feels" very different to someone who has spent little time in a "Coliseum" before. In short, I did not see a blow out in the "form" of football I watched on the field last Saturday.

    All that being said, I have enjoyed every game I have watched this season. I love Coach Mac II's passion and choices. If ever there was a coach who was fully engaged in the game at every moment, it's him. I completely respect that. I also would like to reiterate, coaches are NEVER finished products, they learn on the job at each job. The San Jose job was different than the CU job. Football itself has changed remarkably over the past five years.

    The question for me in reading (some people) on this site (and others) is, why not enjoy the process more than the result? Why not focus on the form of football - which I assume is why people are football "fans" more than wrestling fans? What is the point of being upset at players and coaches? What part of what's happening on the field do you think you have a say in? It's far more fun to enjoy a game for what it is, than "need" a win.

    I admit - I find this twitter-based, "social" media mentality annoying. It's as if a "loss" by "your" team is somehow embarrassing to "you," as if fans have some real stake in the outcome. Get over yourself. In this context, we are not that important. So, dial down the vitriol and cease and desist on "tweeting" vile things to players and coaches. Try to see beyond the score. It may be beneficial to you even outside of football.

    I'm out!
     
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  2. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    I stopped reading after "I could really care less about wins and losses"
     
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  3. AlferdJasper

    AlferdJasper Well-Known Member

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    Well ... okay.
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  4. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Glanced. new guy must be Mountain's older brother. Also, he enjoyed the USC game. Masochist. Nice.
     
  5. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

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    Welcome and thank you for the post. I'm glad you're able to enjoy the process... but many of us have been watching this process for nearly a decade, and it is ok to be fed up with it.
     
  6. TimmyDUBs

    TimmyDUBs Dirty haole Club Member

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    tl;dr, but looking forward to the thread.
    :popcorn:
     
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  7. CUFan

    CUFan Welcome back Club Member

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    He makes some good overall points. I do enjoy watching CU games again this year. Under D2 and Embree, it was really frustrating due to the exceptionally poor coaching (guys out of position, poor tackling, lackadaisical play, etc.). If I tuned in one of those games, I knew it was going to drive me nuts. Now we see effort, game-planning, and overall competence. It is definitely a different feeling regardless of wins and losses.
     
  8. MalteseBuff

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    Just FYI. I have been a Buff fan since my Dad took me to my first game in 1987 (or 1988), and Hagen went 78 yards against Texas (I think) on the first play from scrimmage (at least in my recollection). I still remember being in the horseshoe losing my mind. Great moment.

    So, I've been here for ALL of "it."
     
  9. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Well, why do you hate us then?
     
  10. badbone63

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    Howdy Maltese,

    I understand where you are coming from. I decided to come back to this site after a long hiatus because all I or anyone else could do was bitch and complain. Negative posting is contagious and I catch it every so often. It is nice to read a different perspective. Don't let these Buttheads and Know-it-alls get to you. They can be entertaining.
     
  11. sliderNcider

    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    I like to win. kthxbai
     
  12. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    To be fair I think he just hates Burrito for his racist name
     
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  13. Eggon

    Eggon Club Member Club Member

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    There is joy to be had watching us progress and resemble a football team/program. That said, we really need a solid win to help bring the various factions together. Until then the debate will continue.

    Ballsy first post. Rep.
     
  14. SINKRATZ

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    In other words: seek not the target, but to be the bow. Did I get the gist?
     
  15. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    I like the new guy. He's not using the game to fill a void in his personal life, like me.
     
  16. J.R. Ewing

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    I thought you used fluke's leg for that?
     
  17. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    Hmmm. You should have kept reading--he expresses your kind of sentiment.

    Also, I enjoyed what he wrote.
     
  18. BlackNGold

    BlackNGold Club Member Club Member

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    As a fan the passion for a win should be obvious. When I am a dispassionate observer - such as the ND - Florida State game I can enjoy the process. I don't think you can be emotionally invested and only enjoy the process - every loss hurts.
     
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    You should read his post. He makes a lot of arguments you have been making.
     
  20. Scotch

    Scotch Registered User Club Member Junta Member

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    That was '89. And Hagan busted for 78 yards on the 2nd play from scrimmage. Damn dude, don't you know anything, get it right! :smile2:

    That was the first year my Dad got season tix to, and we sat in the horseshoe as well. Some great great memories from that season.

    Welcome Maltese! Solid first post, and I agree with it. I think we've been granted a small bit of hope this season, which makes the losing hurt, especially the way they've lost some of them.

    Snow and Rugged dump you or something?
     
  21. BuffHerd

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    Long post, but many good points.

    Please keep in mind, many of us have been the only ones on the bandwagon these past 10 years as the wheels have fallen off. The passion is still there, but it is a test every year to dust off and go at it again.

    I too like Mac2 and appreciate your comments analagous to chess; he is game planning and IF we had equivalent talent, we WOULD be picking up wins. We WILL get there, but much of the negativity on this site anyway pertains to recruiting and the understanding that we can't rely on diamonds in the rough to turn a program around.

    There must be a better balance for Mac's staff to improve recruiting and develop talent.

    Watch how this board explodes when we get that first signature win and then as we win more consistently.

    Welcome to the board.
     
  22. DBT

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    MalteseBuff, great post. I love college football because of the constant process of developing kids. But I am certainly tired of losing. I like Mac and believe he'll get it going. But I want success on the field.
     
  23. patebuff

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    The OP definitely made some good points. It's not even funny how far better coaching we are seeing. The problem is, at some point, that coaching has to turn into wins. You can spin it as much as you want, but they have to produce. 2015 is a critical year in my mind in that Win-Loss column. We shall see!
     
  24. goalline

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    This. Although, I've developed a bit of detachment the last few years.

    At the same time, like Maltese, I can appreciate a game we lose if the other team just brings it and has some great talent. Not so much when I think we got out-coached or made bad errors. After the first quarter I stopped watching the USC game - and I rarely give up on a game. We just put ourselves in a big hole and it wasn't fun. However, the last time Oregon came to Boulder, I enjoyed the game, despite the rout, because I appreciated the speed on that team.
     
  25. patebuff

    patebuff Downgraded to half a star Club Member

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    Good point. We had better get a public meeting to discuss this.
     
  26. 89BUFF89

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    like it or not big time cfb is a results oriented business more than ever (just look at the salaries and tv contracts). the patience for 'wins' will only get shorter and shorter. i like close games rather than the blowouts (ignoring the USC game) of years past, but HCMM needs to start turning some of these into Ws fairly soon.
     
  27. BehindEnemyLines

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    You have a life???
     
  28. Duff Man

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    Who says you can't have it all? I appreciate your post (seriously) but it presents a false choice IMO.
     
  29. buffaholic

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    excellent
     
  30. MiamiBuffs

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    Thus, I am no longer emotionally invested.

    For 10 years now. And it sucks.

    Like being chained to a bed and the fat chick comes down and has her way with me while I am helpless.

    I feel empty.
     

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