Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by RalphieMalph, Nov 22, 2008.
which? oh both.
Excuse me, we beat THESE teams last year. Thanks. :thumbsup:
yeah, and nearly beat #1 Alabama.
Different year different teams.
That's why we will win our next two games this year and then hit the big time next year!
Actually, that's part of my point. The players on the field for these teams aren't different by much from the teams that we lined up against last year... in the case of Oklahoma, you could even make the argument that this year's version of their team is less talented than the team they had last year.
The primary difference here is that CU is completely dilapidated. Take away the injuries from our current squad and you're left with a team that's every bit as capable of pulling big upsets as last year's team was.
Hey Ralph, what was our record last year?
6-7. I said "a team that's every bit as capable of pulling big upsets as last year's team was", not "a team that's every bit of capable of going undefeated and winning the national championship like last year's team did."
How about a winning season? Too much to ask for the guy you said "saved the football program"?
It's amazing the responses you get when you ask why a coach in year 3 can't get a winning season.
CSU is going to a bowl game in year one.
I'm going to go puke now.
It's not completely out of the question this year. Came pretty close last year as well.
Hawk has earned plenty of leeway with all of the work he's done off the field, both in recruiting and in public relations, but if we aren't talking about at least a 7 or 8 win season next year I'll be far less in his corner than I am right now, I can tell you that for certain.
I just happen to be of the opinion that, 1. Despite the "losing" (.500 in my book) record, 2007 was an irrefutably good year for the program, and 2. Because of the ludicrous volume of injuries to key players, the lack of progress we've seen this year is not something to get too upset about.
Puking over CSU? Come on now!
If it was Iowa State...then I'd understand
2007 was a good year? Really? :lol:
We'll see.. I jumped on the bandwagon this year only to be let down by what I perceive is bad coaching and still a lack of talent on both sides of the ball.
You bring up the injuries, but it wasn't like this team was blowing the doors off of people when they were healthy.. Eastern Washington whipped us on the lines when we were healthy and we were fortunate to win that game.. Injuries have played a part, but getting those guys back doesn't automatically guarantee us being 9-3 next year.
In other IFYN news, Boise State is 11-0.
They have lost like 3 games since Hawk left.. :lol: We lose 3 games in a month..
You never jumped on the bandwagon Jimmy. Don't try to BS us.
Hawk took over a bad program with barely enough OL to hold spring ball his first year. And yet you really expected a quick turnaround? Look at the depth chart. It tells you all you need to know.
You honestly think it wasn't?
I am on the bandwagon, but I'm not going to ignore the obvious.. The program is in its third year and we have no identity whatsoever. He has had enough time to get players in here to have enough depth to win..
Other than the OU win (which I remember I was one of the only ones here predicting that we would have a shot in that game), what was so great about it? We didn't really built off of it and we got worse as the season went on.
Most of Hawks recruits are RS-FR's and Soph. Jimmy. At least the ones who didn't get thrown in to immediate PT. Asking a coach to completely turn a program around in just 3 years is a little much. Yes some coaches have pulled this off. But the odds are stacked against them.
The team has no identity because of the obvious lack of upperclassmen on the roster. There isn't enough leadership on the field. I thought that was kind of obvious.
Taking a team from 2-10 to a bowl game qualifies in many minds as a good year. The year was up and down, but you have to expect that with a team as young as we were.
Additional perspective on CU's 2008 season:
Record against programs with 1st year coaches: 3-1. Couldn't beat A&M, worst team in. 12S.
Record against ISU's second year coach: 1-0 (1-1 all time)
Record against teams with coaches that have been fired after losing to CU. 1-0. Good luck with your next opportunity, Mr. Prince.
Record teams that have coaches with as much or more time on post: 0-6.
In 2007 CU went 6-3 against teams with coaches with as much or more time on post (CSU, FSU, Miami, Oklahoma, Baylor, KU, Tech, Mizzou, Nub) and 0-4 against coaches with as much or less time coaching their programs than Hawk has (Bama, ISU, KState, and Arizona State).
...your point being?
Double post. Drat. Messed up on the edit.
Additional perspective on CU's 2008 season:
Record against programs with 1st year coaches: 3-1. Couldn't beat A&M, worst team in. 12S. kNU will change that.
Record against ISU's second year coach: 1-0
Against 3rd year coaches. 1-0. Good luck with that next opportunity, Mr. Prince.
Record against teams with coaches that have more time on post: 0-6.
On a positive note, Hawk has established enough good will to get an extension and the chance to turn this thing around over the next few seasons.
Coaching is a tough vocation. CSU, Baylor and Nebraska ditched their HCs after losing to the Buffs in 2007.
Even so, the statistical point you're making doesn't hold water when you consider 2007 in the equation.
In 2008 Hawk was unable to beat any coach who had been with their program for longer than he'd been at CU.
In 2007 Hawk was unable to beat any coach who had been with their program for less time than he'd been at CU.
I don't see any sort of cogent conclusion that could be drawn from these figures.
Just pointing out facts, Malph. Kind of like you focusing this thread on the fact that CU beat the clips and the sand aggies last season. Not sure what cogent conclusions should be drawn from those nuggets either.
Quick turnaround? Year 3 and asking to just have a "winning' season is asking too much?
Like I said before, not asking for a north title or big 12 championship,not even asking for 8,9 wins.
Just a winning season.
Like I said before, Hawk barely had enough OL to hold practice in 06. Now you want him to flip that into a winner, in the big 12 no less, in 3 years. I pointed out to jimmy that our depth chart tells you all we need to know about CU's problems.
Hey, I want to win as much as anyone else here, but this has been the single worst year for injuries in CU history. You can't slam Hawk for that. If we stay healthy, we are a 7 win team this season. Easy.
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