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If UT Loses CCG...

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by El Gringo, Nov 23, 2009.

  1. El Gringo

    El Gringo Pura Vida Club Member

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    Let's say the Nubs come off their loss to CU fired up and beat UT in the CCG.

    Florida or Alabama will lose the SEC CCG.

    Does TCU play for all the marbles, or does the computer and its strength of schedule throw the Horn Frogs under the proverbial bus, so that we are treated to a rematch of the Gators and the Tide?
     
  2. dply

    dply Doble hoja Club Member

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    No rematch, but I can see something screwey happening to leave TCU out.
     
  3. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    If Florida and Bama play a good, close game I think it's a real possibility given that they both have nearly a whole tenth of a percentage point lead over the Horned Frogs right now.
     
  4. dply

    dply Doble hoja Club Member

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    A few years ago a similar situation took place between Mich and Ohio State. Everyone wanted a rematch thinking they were the best two teams. It didn't happen and both teams lost their bowl games.
     
  5. OKCBuff

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    I absolutely bet it would happen. The system is probably gerrymandered behind close doors to ensure a TCU-type school never gets a shot. The BCS people would love that.

    They want a big-time matchup and will get that with Texas/Bama or Texas/Florida. If UT blows it, they'll MAKE SURE they get it with Bama/Florida.

    I'd love to see TCU in it if UT lost to the shuckers, but they won't beat Texas so it doesn't matter.
     
  6. bigred1

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    Honestly I don't see any way that NU can beat Texas. If we had an offense that could put up some points, burn up some clock, and give our defense a chance to rest it might be possible. I see a lot of 3 and outs coming up for NU, giving a lot of opportunities to McCoy and Shipley to put up points.
     
  7. HotRack

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    IMO, if the above scenario happens, the wild card here is Cincinnati. Cincy will play a #12(?) Pitt team for their last game on Dec 5th, same day as CCG. Say Cincy beats them, there's probably a pretty good chance that Cincy will leapfrog TCU due to their strength of schedule being boosted by Pitt's ranking.

    All that happens you're looking at a Cincinnati vs. SEC champ title game.
     
  8. El Gringo

    El Gringo Pura Vida Club Member

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    Excellent point. I'd guess this is more likely than a rematch. TCU is only 1/100th of a BCS point ahead of Cincy, and the Bearcats could make that up with a win of #12, particularly since TCU is not getting any help from its schedule playing 1-10 New Mexico.
     
  9. PhillyBuff

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    Since there seems to be controversy every year except when USC played Texas....

    I am going to predict...

    Florida loses to Florida State
    Alabama loses to Florida
    Cincinatti loses to Pitt
    Texas loses to Nebraska...


    and TCU v. Boise State in the National CHampionship game....
     
  10. ScottyBuff

    ScottyBuff Well-Known Member

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    Even under that scenario, I don't think Boise gets in over a 1-loss SEC Champ (Florida/Bama still play each other).

    But that would be freaking great if the "MNC" game featured two non-AQ teams!

    For that matter I wouldn't mind seeing TCU vs Cincy either.

    Winning HC would get the Notre Dame job offer first. lol
     
  11. zbuff

    zbuff Club Member Club Member

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    This would be awesome, surely another step closer to a playoff? Nah, the university presidents like their cash cow too much to change, even if they could morph the current swapping around of the MNC game amongst the top four bowls, and the preliminary playoff games amongst the other leading bowls. It's way too complicated for those fat cats to think through.
     
  12. ScottyBuff

    ScottyBuff Well-Known Member

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    A TCU-Boise game would probably further entrench the BCS, as it would be "proof" that the non-AQ teams have a chance, ending the argument about the deck being stacked against them for the MNC.
     
  13. dply

    dply Doble hoja Club Member

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    I have a bad feeling that somehow Nebraska will get in.
     
  14. HornBuff

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    I'm annoyed that NU even has the opportunity to win the B12 given their accomplishments vs. UT's accomplishments. It's not fair. You can lose to Iowa State at home and get blasted by Tech and still are on equal footing with a team that has run the table thus far?

    I think the divisions should be eliminated and that we should just play more conference games instead of ooc games. Maybe play a championship game to settle a tiebreaker.
     
  15. ScottyBuff

    ScottyBuff Well-Known Member

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    In truth I would much rather have a 9 team conference (like the MWC) where everyone plays everyone each season, instead of the divisional format and CCG where teams might have to rematch each other.

    Every once a while a CCG (like Florida and Alabama in the SEC) happens to pit two teams that are fairly equal, but alot more times it features a heavy favorite vs someone looking to play spoiler.
     
  16. HornBuff

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    "...heavy favorite vs someone looking to play spoiler."

    It goes one step more. Not only can NU be the spoiler, but theycan take the spoils with a marginal overall performance for the year. In many years the team from the north by playign the the ccg has a shot at the BCS when they have the third or fourth best record (and especially ranking) in the conference.
     
  17. ScottyBuff

    ScottyBuff Well-Known Member

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    Well, I thought that was obvious since the winner of the CCG gets an automatic bid into a BCS game.

    "spoiler" meaning the underdog would end the favorites chances for a national title game.
     
  18. HornBuff

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    Here is the difference i'm tryign to point out. Any team can play the spoiler. A&M can play the spoiler against Texas in a few days, but if A&M wins they don't get the big rewards that they don't really deserve. They get to be the spoiler and that's it.

    Because of the divisional format Nebraska can be the spoiler but, if they win, they can unjustly get the big rewards that they do not deserve given their marginal record. A team from the nort can be spoiler and be crowned champion when, in theor and in actuality, could have the third or fourth best record in the conference they just "won".
     
  19. Daaah

    Daaah Club Member Club Member

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    Then just beat the north team or get your '*'s ready. Typical TX bs here.
     
  20. ScottyBuff

    ScottyBuff Well-Known Member

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    The whole conference knew the rules going into the season, so you can't say it would be "unjust" or "undeserved". No team can be handed the spoils before they prove it on the field. Texas doesn't deserve a BCS bid (MNC or Fiesta) until they win it on the field. I'm not saying Nebraska "deserves" it either, but if they beat Texas in CCG it is what the conference contracted to do, so that's the way it is.

    I don't think the CCG, despite the game-day revenue and TV revenue, are "worth it" in the long run for conferences, IMO. Too many repeat matchups and chances of losing a national title contender.
     
  21. Daaah

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    I like having conference championship games. What's not to like? It's like a mini playoff. What sucks is that some conferences don't have them so it puts teams in conferences that do at a disadvantage as far as the national title game goes.
     
  22. DallasFlier

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    Yep! HornBuff sounds AWFULLY worried about Nebraska beating the Horns! If the Horns can't beat that "marginal record" Nebraska team you are worried about, then they're no more deserving of a BCS berth than Nebraska is.
     
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  23. Coloradosker

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    If that's the case then both baseball and basketball formats are unfair as well. Remember: Baylor had a terrible record coming into the Big XII conference tourney last season and damn near won it, getting themselves into the NCAA tourney. Would they have had "undeserved rewards"? Seems to me if you (Texas) have national title aspirations you should take on all comers willingly. Even if you should lose you'll still end up in the BCS with a big fat paycheck.
     
  24. ScottyBuff

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    I see what you mean in regards to the SEC, ACC, B12 vs Pac Ten, Big Ten, and Big East.

    But you get the same thing if all of your teams play each other during the season. Cincy vs Pitt and Oregon-Oregon State will be "playoff type games" for the conference title and a BCS bid, just as Ohio State vs Iowa happened to be for the Big Ten (thankfully they actually played this year).

    However Clemson-GaTech and Texas-Nebraska are basically "play-out" games with the ACC matchup being a rematch game. Florida-Bama is certainly a great matchup but that is only when things work out perfectly.

    I won't complain too much, as more football to watch is a good thing from a fan's perspective. I just don't think the CCG model is best. I relies too much on the divisional breakdown being "even" in the first place. Success on the field changes year to year so much that a bad alignment, or one division with parity has just as much shot at the conference title as a team that dominated its division.

    I would rather play every team in the conference once during the regular season, personally.
     
  25. OKCBuff

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    This is what I'd like:

    -- Nine-game conference season (5 home games one year, 4 the next, rotate)
    -- No divisions
    -- Take top two for Big 12 Championship game (it's a cash cow and won't go anywhere)
    -- Put in an NFL type schedule, where top half of conference one year plays top half of conference following year; give every school two automatic rivals they always play no matter which side of the standings they are. This format basically ensures every year the best will play the best without getting to skip them.

    Sure, a lot of years, this would mean a Texas-OU Big 12 game, but it would leave the door open for a CU-NU title game or Mizzou-KU or UT-A&M or OSU-OU game too -- rivalry games, though remote, would be great for the title game.
     
  26. CarolinaBuff

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    :yeahthat:

    Everyone plays everyone else during the conference season and you get a true conference champion and no possibility of a team going something like 4-4 or 5-3 in conference and getting a 1-game shot to win it, when in reality they could very well only be the 3rd, 4th, or even 5th-best team in the conference.

    Of course the conferences aren't going to suddenly give up all that cash that a CCG generates, so they should at least just eliminate the divisions and let the top 2 finishers in the regular season play in the CCG, whether it ends up being a rematch or not.
     
  27. PhillyBuff

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    I don't like your Pit v Cincy and OU v. OSU "like championship games"

    because that is one less game they play because of conference championship games.....

    also, you have the non-conference schedule that is COMPLETELY UNFAIR.....
     
  28. HornBuff

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    Why should a team have the opportunity of a one-game shot at the conference championship when said team is perhaps only the fourth best team in the conference? And no, I don’t like the setup in basketball either. Eliminate the conf tournament. I like the emphasis placed on the regular season games. That’s just my preference.

    My only point is that I would like to see the B12 change formats and eliminate the championship game and have a setup similar to the P10 and B11. Eliminate one or two ooc games and try to play everyone (or nearly everyone) every year and only have a champ game in a tiebreak scenario. I’d rather the Horns play CU every year instead of some crap Northwest Louisiana State Community College. I’d also love to see NU and OU play every year. Again, that's just my personal preference.

    And don’t worry, my Horns will beat the Huskers with or without a playoff. Won’t make a diff.

    For the record, I’m a UT grad living in CO. I love CO and CU is my #2 team. I go to a lot of CU games and have adopted CU as my hometown school. I’ve got Buff relatives and my kids will likely end up at CU when the day comes down the road.
     
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  29. PhillyBuff

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    Thanks, we will take your $$$$... care to donate to help us?

    seriously.... I don't like the system either... but until there is inherent FAIRNESS throughout the system, this is the best we are gonna get....

    There will be a time when the North will reign supreme again and either we will have an SEC type arrangement where two top teams get together on a national stage... or we have the flip side of what we have now....
     
  30. ScottyBuff

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    Not sure I get what you mean. The winner of each of those games wins the conference, how is that not "like a championship game"?

    Again, not sure I follow you. Do you mean having a CCG allows for 1 more game to be played? Not sure the point you were trying to make.

    Not sure the relevance, I was solely discussing conference play. OOC schedule would still be left to each team, status quo, no change, not sure how that is "unfair". Maybe I missed your point?
     

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