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I'll believe it when I see it

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Sexton Hardcastle, Sep 1, 2009.

  1. Sexton Hardcastle

    Sexton Hardcastle Club Member Club Member

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    I'm not buying the whole power running game CU is supposedly installing. There is a lot of misinformation out there, mainly placed by the coaching staff. I know the spread didn't really impress many of you guys, but I believe that a pass heavy offense will always be Hawkins' vision for the program.
     
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    FChairbanks muthaka slayer Club Member

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    interesting...i was hoping for a balanced attack. building up the big uglies and the stable of running backs gives the impression of the power running game. does hawk have a secret weapon under wraps?

    and if so, will he unveil it on sunday...or hold onto it until we really need it...


    (cue twilight zone theme...)
     
  3. jgisland

    jgisland Club Member Club Member

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    Well I think that Hawkins' vision may be a pass heavy/spread offense but the lack of receivers and the depth at rb doesn't give him much of a choice.
     
  4. Sexton Hardcastle

    Sexton Hardcastle Club Member Club Member

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    I'm thinking Hawkins is going to throw plenty of different looks at the opposing teams this year. He's keeping things very quiet this year, and it's been working for the most part.

    I just fail to see a pass first OC, and HC, just turn into running guys over the course of one season. I believe we'll run the ball a lot more under center this year, and we should run the ball plenty vs CSU, but we'll see once conference ball starts.
     
  5. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    Simple fact of the matter is that this team is built to run the ball. A big, strong and deep offensive line with four quick, strong running backs. No sense trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
     
  6. Sexton Hardcastle

    Sexton Hardcastle Club Member Club Member

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    I agree with that, use your strengths. But you can't abandon the vision of what you want the program to become. And that's a pass heavy offense. Look at the personal running the O. Kiesau is a well known passing guy.
     
  7. Sexton Hardcastle

    Sexton Hardcastle Club Member Club Member

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    That is not the way this team is built. Just because we have a good rb stable doesn't turn Hawkins into a run first guy.
     
  8. buffsyko

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    My, my, who is negative nate now? Don't you always say hawk and our coaches know what they are doing?

    Welcome to the dark side young skywalker :smile2:
     
  9. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I believe the vision is a balanced, pro style attack.
     
  10. buffaholic

    buffaholic Club Member Club Member

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    I've had the same thoughts as Valdez. On one hand, you got that huge guard in Miller to run behind. But Solder and Givens aren't 350 pound tackles. I consider them small (not short) by B12 standards.

    We have more talent at RB than most positions and I think our QBs need our running game to be effective for the passing game to also click.... If we can't run the ball over people, we won't score a ton of points I'm afraid.
     
  11. Sexton Hardcastle

    Sexton Hardcastle Club Member Club Member

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    Negative? I'm not saying we can't be successful this season. I just don't see us becoming a power running team like everyone is saying we are.

    We are going to run the ball a lot more than last year, and hopefully from under the center. But if you think we're going to veer away from passing the ball you're mistaken.
     
  12. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Correct. The idea we're going to run it 50 times a game is not realistic, just as I do not think the coaches are looking at this roster and saying we should be passing it 30 times a game.
     
  13. FChairbanks

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    agreed...but a successful "pass first" offense requires more depth with different weapons than we have available right now. and it seems to me the focus on recruiting has been shifting toward the "POUND IT....POUND IT!!" attack in recent years, which i happen to like...

    as you say, we shall see...
     
  14. buffsyko

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    I have no delusions that we will line up and run it 50 times a game. As you stated, hawk and keisau like the vertical passing game. If we can get a balance between the two that's fine by me. Whatever works to put W's on the board ....
     
  15. Sexton Hardcastle

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    I'd be very surprised to see us run the ball 50 times. But seeing us pass the ball over 30 times? Not so much.
     
  16. Sexton Hardcastle

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    I don't see it that way. We've been going after the same talented kids we always have. If CU was going to change their philosophy to a run first O, then you'd see it in the OL like Buffaholic said.
     
  17. Buttermaker

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    Hawkins has always maintained that he wants to "Pound it and Launch it". I would like to believe he wants a 50 / 50 mix if possible.
     
  18. Sexton Hardcastle

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    This is what I'd like to see as well.

    My post is intended for the people who think we are somehow going to turn into a run first team. Not going to happen.
     
  19. FChairbanks

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    i just don't see this team being successful in a "pass first" attack at this time. i think the staff is building toward a balanced attack but right now we have to use the current personnel and pound it to set the tone...
     
  20. Sexton Hardcastle

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    I think we should try to be a balanced team as well. We don't have much of a choice with our current crop of WR's. But with a undersized OL we're going to have a hell of a time trying to pound it in conference play.
     
  21. Sexton Hardcastle

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    Just to be clear, I'm not trying to say that the pass is the only way we're going to be successful. I'm just pointing out the power running game will not happen with two passing minded coaches running the offense.

    If I'm wrong I'll take my crow medium rare. A little A1 on the side. :smile2:
     
  22. Buttermaker

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    For what is worth, at Boise all of his teams ran the ball over 50%, I think he wants a similar mix:

    2005 - 58% running plays. Passing accounted for 52% of yardage
    2004 - 61% running plays. Passing = 53% of yardage
    2003 - 53% running plays. Passing = 69% of yardage
    2002 - 57% running plays. Passing = 58% of yardage

    Couldn't get 2001
     
  23. Sexton Hardcastle

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    I'm not trying to dismiss these numbers, but how much of the running plays were during garbage time? Boise used to really take it to people when Hawk was there. I think that's shown in the Passing yardage.

    I don't believe that Hawkins will be able to do this in the Big12 though. jmho.
     
  24. buffsyko

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    How are we undersized?

    Berti, west, naole, stoltenberg and irwin weren't much bulkier than this group.
     
  25. Sexton Hardcastle

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    They were a much better run blocking squad than the current OL.
     
  26. DBT

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    I honestly believe that Hawk believes you should run the ball and pass the ball an equal amount of plays.
     
  27. BuffLuKe

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    Its like you said the other day valdez, we should play the players and not the scheme. We happen to have some talented backs and are thin at wideout. I hope we do pound it, our best teams have always been able to run the ball. The spread isnt the only way to move the ball. As I see it, all these schemes run in cycles and the spread is in obviously. Make no mistake tho, you can still run the football and be successful, that will never change.​
     
  28. JimmyBuff

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    All I know is that I pound the rock for CU on NCAA Football 10 and we are 9-2 and Darrell Scott is in the running for the Heisman..I'm almost at Hawk's guarantee of ten wins.. :lol::smile2:

    All joking aside, I do believe that Hawk wants to throw the ball around. Its just odd to me that he hasn't been able to find playmakers at WR or QB (maybe Hansen will be that guy) to come here in order to run it..
     
  29. BuffLuKe

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    u actually lost a game? Bro im 46-0 and 3 time defending National Champion, gotta step up man. Yes, that is against Heisman level by the way. D Scott won two Heismans in a row on my squad. U have xbox or ps3? we should play sometime.
     
  30. LilBunky

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    Undersized O-line?!?:wow: Gee, an "undersized" line is more indicative of a running attack! You want quicker, more athletic guys out there to pull and lead the blocking, than tubs of goo with long arms, (Can you hear me, Loadholt?) like at OU, who are great for the passing game.( Also, see Broncos, Denver, during the SB years---small O-line, big-time running attack!)

    In addition to more athletic guys, a running game is more a mindset, Dever Johnson has it, Grimes, from BYU, did not, nor did Helfrich. Kiesau hails from a Cal program where offensive balance was everything, to the point where they always have a 1,000 yd. rusher, even two!

    The two "pass-first' asst./coordinators are gone, that says a lot, as do Hawk's BSU historical tendencies---see above!!!

    For you to claim this line isn't a running blocking line, without benefit of seeing them play ONE FRIGGIN"GAME is a bit premature at best. This line appears far more athletic than the Berti/Irwin/Stoltenberg line by a long shot!
     
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