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In state recruiting

Discussion in 'University of Colorado Recruiting Archive' started by DBT, Dec 30, 2011.

  1. DBT

    DBT Club Member Club Member

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    Our favorite writer is at it again. John Henderson, shocker, wrote a negative column about our in state recruiting. The top six in state guys are going elsewhere. But what pisses me off most was the quote by Chaparral head coach John Vogt.

    He said,"As a former coach here in Colorado at UNC and as a player here and now as a head coach, to be honest with you, in the five years I've been back from Texas, I'm really disappointed in the in-state effort by these guys. I know Embree's only been here one year, but the previous staff just blew the state off. They were more enamored with Florida and Texas."

    Screw you Vogt! First, it's a two way street. Embree has tried hard to get back in state only to be blown off by the top six kids. If HS coaches want CU to recruit their kids, they had better well encourage their kids to strongly consider us! Second, Embree is not the previous regime, so get over it you sanctimonious jerk. Finally, hell yes CU is going to recruit the likes of Texas and you would too, coach Vogt!
     
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    :yeahthat:

    I just read the article and felt the exact same way. Well said.
     
  3. DBT

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    Jon offered and was turned down by the top six in-state kids. He offered and.received commitments from 7 & 8. That means he offered scholarships to at least 8 Colorado kids which is about a third of his available scholarships. If these HS coaches want to get some CU love, they had better damned well reciprocate! And one more thing. Don't expect CU to recruit in-state kids just for the sake of it. CU should only be expected to recruit kids good enough to contribute to a BCS level program.
     
  4. bigbang2

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    Embree is trying to recruit instate, the problem is that there aren't that many good players, and most of the good ones want to go out of state.
     
  5. buff4bcs1985

    buff4bcs1985 Hail to the King

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    damn dbt is fired up!
     
  6. buffsyko

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    It amazes me how the media treats the #1 university in the state.

    Yes, it's true they've missed out on the top kids, especially OL but it wasn't from a lack of trying or snubbing anyone.

    The funny thing in all of this is that the denver media could care less about college football in this state but whenever there's nothing to write about, they can always fall back on bashing cu on some trumped up article.

    Last I checked, it was fairchild and csu going after the texas and florida kids but you know....
     
  7. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    I don't think Voght was taking a shot at CU or Embree but taking a shot at Halk and that their isn't much of a relationship with Colorado high schools.
     
  8. DBT

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    Yep. He recruited Florida and we did not. Hell, Hawkins didn't eve recruit Texas!
     
  9. 30Something

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    :stupid:
     
  10. DBT

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    That may very well be true but that is not how it came across in the article. Henderson likely was selective in his wordsmithing to be as negative as possible. But Vogt should have chosen his words more selectively. He used a very broad brush. He owes Embree a phone call IMO. And Embree owes Henderson a call as well.
     
  11. MtnBuff

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    CU will never have the favored status that some schools have, to many writers from other states and resentment of CU from those who couldn't or didn't think they could get in. A lot of the coaches are guys who wish they could have gone to the flagship university but weren't good enough and still hold that resentment as well.

    The combination of Embree building connections to the coaches and community and winning games will be the things that help bring CU back into as positive a light as possible though. There will still always be some resentment of CU and Colorado being a Bronco state will make it easier for those voices to feel okay about spreading their hate for CU.
     
  12. Duff Man

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    Tini is the voice of reason. Read the quote again.
     
  13. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    I did. Maybe it's because he was my gym teacher for four years but I still don't think he was taking a shot at Embree or CU. He should have chosen his words better yes.
     
  14. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    I was agreeing with you. Seems pretty clear to me he was talking about the former coaching staff.
     
  15. DBT

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    I did read the quote and do not disagree. But Vogt knows damned well that the two former regimes are long gone. He should also know that Embree has gone hard after the top in-state kids, wouldn't you agree? His quote to Henderson, then, IMO, was self serving and not a statement of the facts as they now are. He could just as easily have said,"While there were problems with the previous staffs in-state recruiting, I am encouraged with the effort that Jon Embree has shown thus far."
     
  16. DBT

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    Vogt should also know to be careful in providing any quote to John Henderson when he is writing an article about CU. Always be wary of Henderson's agenda! In my job, if I am contacted by the media, I am to refer them to our media relations rep! :lol:
     
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  17. MtnBuff

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    I don't know Vogt or even have any idea what kind of man he is so I am willing to give him the benefit of a doubt although it was a bad quote.

    What I would like to know is what context the quote was made in. We all know that it is not hard for a writer to take a 10 minute conversation and selectively quote on line out of it in a way to make it sound completely different than the actual tone of the conversation and the true feelings of the speaker.

    This is why we get irritatated sometimes at various college and pro coaches as well as lawyers and politicians. They work very hard at saying nothing because they know that to say anything puts them into a position to have their words put into a different context entirely serving the point of view of the writer.

    Call the writer on it and he says "I just quoted him directly, I have it on tape, that's what he said.

    A scumsucking slimeball like Henderson actually couldn't care less if we hate him anyways, he is going to spout his vile, twisted crap and use any opportunity to do so.
     
  18. sackman

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    Henderson can eat a bag of dicks.
     
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  19. El Gringo

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  20. Quattro

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    My mistake thought you were telling me to re read it :lol:
     
  21. Duff Man

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    Guess I do not understand why you automatically assume Vogt is making self-serving comments. He has had interactions with Embree and other staff members due to his players actually being offered/recruited by CU over the last several years.
     
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    This x a billion. Seriously. **** that guy.
     
  23. Buffnik

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    I'm not understanding the impression that HaLkins was enamored with Texas and Florida. He was getting about 3 total players a year from those states. That really does sound like a CSU reference. Fairchild was very focused on those states.
     
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    That was my impression, too. We haven't had many kids from Florida over the years, Hawk only recruited 3 to my knowledge (Hartigan, Iltis, Griffon).
     
  25. SuperiorBuff

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    I have to wonder who this putz had on his team in the last 5 years he felt should have been recruited but wasn't. This sounds like sour grapes.
     
  26. hefdub

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    This is crazy. Henderson is doing his job. He's not a PR guy from the university. He's a reporter that goes out and reports and writes stories. What positive has he had to write about the last eight years?
    This is a fair story to me. Neither school has recruited the state well in the past five years. This is nothing new.
    You guys sound like sour parents that always say "you should at least write they tried hard."
     
  27. SuperiorBuff

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    :rip:cornholio:rip: alert! :rip:cornholio:rip: alert!
     
  28. Duff Man

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    That putz is going to have a third player sign (one already at CU) with a BCS school in the last five years come February 2013.

    Guy probably just has an agenda.
     
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    I wonder who he had that didn't get signed that he thought should have.
     
  30. Duff Man

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    And I am saying he has met plenty of coaching staffs from around the country. Is it possible he has been unimpressed with CU's efforts in that timeframe without being an outright CU hater or a putz? Guess not.
     

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