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Indy Bowl - Bama vs Colorado

chipwich said:
I'm with you Jensie. KU should not be rewarded for a weak ass non conference schedule (all games at home I might add).

I also believe that if you don't win your conference or at least your division you should not get to play in a BCS bowl.

**** KU.
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I would definitely applaud some rule stating eligibility for a BCS Bowl would require a team finish top 2 in their conference. That would avoid KUs and Georgia.s who arent even playing in their CCG, and those teams who don't have CCG games in their's.
 
92Buff said:
I would definitely applaud some rule stating eligibility for a BCS Bowl would require a team finish top 2 in their conference. That would avoid KUs and Georgia.s who arent even playing in their CCG, and those teams who don't have CCG games in their's.
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But in some years the two teams playing in the CCG are not the two best teams in the conference. Like the last, oh, say 5 years in the Big 12. You can't tell me that the 2005 Buffs were better than OU
 
Highflyer said:
But in some years the two teams playing in the CCG are not the two best teams in the conference. Like the last, oh, say 5 years in the Big 12. You can't tell me that the 2005 Buffs were better than OU
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First of all - teams need to take care of business and you don't have a bitch. You win your division and you are fine if not then you stay home. If Georgia is so freakin' good then why is a very average team like Tennessee going to the championship. I just don't buy that they are really all that good but they are obviously very popular.

Beyond that, I think it would be a step in the right direction. Here are my thoughts (and underscore it with the fact that either all conferences should have a CCG or not - not the BS we have today):

If a rule like this went into effect, you may actually see conferences align themselves to showcase their best in a CCG game. What if the Big XII did away with divisions and rotated teams playing each other in a single conference alignment. How often do you think the best two teams might survive and play each other? Probably pretty frequently.

Look at a few examples - What would the outcomes of the Big 11 and Pac-10 be this year? OSU vs. Michigan/Illinois (not going to look it up - have I ever mentioned that the Big 10 is way overrated?)? USC vs. ASU? Not too bad and pretty accurate.

How about if you go back to a year like '05 in the Big XII as you would like to discuss. Think you may have had OU vs. Texas since the north teams shat all over themselves that season? What about the other years that you point to - probably would have been pretty close to getting the top 2 teams each year.

Yes you could make arguments that so and so wouldn't have to play so and so. Or else you might see a change in scheduling where teams played more conference games and did away with so many of the patsie OOC games that many SEC, Big 10 and certain Big XII teams have been hiding behind for years in a quest to ensure bowl eligibility.

I think it COULD be a step in the right direction - if nothing else it sure gets you closer to a playoff-like result.

<crap - sorry about the book>
 
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BuffThat said:
Why isn't UGa in the SEC title game? They had 1 bad quarter in K-town.
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I hear ya. The Broncos would have 3 Super Bowls if it weren't for one bad quarter against the Redskins.

Fact is they lost to Tennessee and South Carolina which keeps them from competing for the SEC championship. They are a solid team but I am not sure they should be in contention for the national championship game right now.
 
92Buff said:
First of all - teams need to take care of business and you don't have a bitch. You win your division and you are fine if not then you stay home. If Georgia is so freakin' good then why is a very average team like Tennessee going to the championship. I just don't buy that they are really all that good but they are obviously very popular.

Beyond that, I think it would be a step in the right direction. Here are my thoughts (and underscore it with the fact that either all conferences should have a CCG or not - not the BS we have today):

If a rule like this went into effect, you may actually see conferences align themselves to showcase their best in a CCG game. What if the Big XII did away with divisions and rotated teams playing each other in a single conference alignment. How often do you think the best two teams might survive and play each other? Probably pretty frequently.

Look at a few examples - What would the outcomes of the Big 11 and Pac-10 be this year? OSU vs. Michigan/Illinois (not going to look it up - have I ever mentioned that the Big 10 is way overrated?)? USC vs. ASU? Not too bad and pretty accurate.

How about if you go back to a year like '05 in the Big XII as you would like to discuss. Think you may have had OU vs. Texas since the north teams shat all over themselves that season? What about the other years that you point to - probably would have been pretty close to getting the top 2 teams each year.

Yes you could make arguments that so and so wouldn't have to play so and so. Or else you might see a change in scheduling where teams played more conference games and did away with so many of the patsie OOC games that many SEC, Big 10 and certain Big XII teams have been hiding behind for years in a quest to ensure bowl eligibility.

I think it COULD be a step in the right direction - if nothing else it sure gets you closer to a playoff-like result.

<crap - sorry about the book>
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Just in the Big Twelve, this is what the CCG would have looked like with the two best teams (Keep in mind this is strictly conference records)

1996
Actual NU vs. UT
If true #1 vs #2 NU vs CU

1997
Nu vs aTm
NU vs. KSU

1998
KSU vs aTm
same

1999
NU vs UT
NU vs KSU

2000
OU vs. KSU
OU vs. UT

2001
CU vs UT
same

2002
CU vs. OU
same (KSU was also 6-2 in conference same as OU)

2003
KSU vs. OU
OU vs. UT

2004
CU vs. OU
OU. vs UT

2005
UT vs. CU
UT vs. TT

2006
OU vs. NU
Ou vs. UT

2007
Mizzou vs. OU
Mizzou vs. KU

So only three of the 12 games have matched up the 1 vs 2.
 
it the teams don't play the same schedules.

Would Kansas have beaten OU if they had played? Who knows. Just because Kansas finished 7-1 in the conference does not automatically make them the 2nd best team.

If OU wins this weekend Kansas will still only have one loss. Does that mean they are the 2nd best team in the conference? OU lost twice this year in conference but they will be conference champs.
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
it the teams don't play the same schedules.

Would Kansas have beaten OU if they had played? Who knows. Just because Kansas finished 7-1 in the conference does not automatically make them the 2nd best team.

If OU wins this weekend Kansas will still only have one loss. Does that mean they are the 2nd best team in the conference? OU lost twice this year in conference but they will be conference champs.
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And if Mizzou wins? Seems like KU is the second best team in the B12, no?

My point is, these conference championship games don't always match up the best teams.
 
Good to see the list of matchups. I completely agree with you on the CCGs not matching the best teams. That is exactly why if they continue to exist that we find a way of modifying the approach to qualifying for them so they do more accurately deliver a true champion each year.

But even in a screwed up system as it is right now, I still don't like teams that don't qualify to play in their CCG games getting into the BCS vs. someone who does qualify and loses (e.g. KU and possibly Mizzou this year). I also hate the fact that you have some conferences who refuse to have a CCG and appear to benefit from it.
 
Highflyer said:
And if Mizzou wins? Seems like KU is the second best team in the B12, no?

My point is, these conference championship games don't always match up the best teams.
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I think we are saying the same thing. Because all the teams don't play each other and because a team like Kansas lost in the last game of the season- to a team that had already lost a conference game, it doesn't bother me to see teams like Kansas getting into BCS bowls.
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
I think we are saying the same thing. Because all the teams don't play each other and because a team like Kansas lost in the last game of the season- to a team that had already lost a conference game, it doesn't bother me to see teams like Kansas getting into BCS bowls.
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Yes, we are saying the same thing. I want two B12 in the BCS games no matter what. More money for us. I'd also like to see the north win the CCG and have two representatives in the BCS games, rather than OU.
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
Don't you think KU will get a BCS bid even if OU wins?
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Well, it's done by a computer and there are 10 bowl spots including the mNC game. I don't see how Kansas doesn't get into a BCS bowl given their position.

Here are the rankings. Blue teams still have a game to play. Underlined Teams have unofficially clinched a spot in the BCS by being conference champion.

Harris Poll USA Today Computer Rankings BCS
TEAM RK PTS % RK PTS % A&H RB CM KM JS PW % COMP AVG BCS AVG PRVS
1 Missouri 1 2779 .9751 2 1454 .9693 25 23 24 25 25 25 .990 1 .9781 4 (Plays Oklahoma)
2 West Virginia 2 2753 .9660 1 1467 .9780 24 25 25 24 24 24 .970 2 .9713 3 (Plays Pitt) Conference Champion
3 Ohio State 3 2638 .9256 3 1383 .9220 23 24 23 22 21 23 .910 3 .9192 5 IDLE Conference Champion
4 Georgia 4 2368 .8309 4 1232 .8213 21 17 22 23 20 20 .830 5 .8274 7 IDLE
5 Kansas 6 2170 .7614 T-5 1161 .7740 22 22 16 19 23 21 .840 4 .7918 2 IDLE
6 Virginia Tech 7 2164 .7593 T-5 1161 .7740 17 19 19 21 22 22 .810 6 .7811 8 (Plays BC)
7 LSU 5 2215 .7772 7 1134 .7560 20 21 21 20 18 18 .790 7 .7744 1 (Plays Tenn)
8 USC 9 2059 .7225 9 1073 .7153 18 20 13 14 16 16 .640 T-10 .6926 11 Plays UCLA
9 Oklahoma 8 2132 .7481 8 1126 .7507 14 10 15 13 13 17 .550 12 .6829 10 (Plays Mizzou)
10 Florida 11 1757 .6165 11 898 .5987 15 15 18 17 17 14 .640 T-10 .6184 12 IDLE
11 Boston College 12 1587 .5568 12 861 .5740 16 14 20 18 19 18 .720 8 .6169 14 (Plays VT)
12 Hawaii 10 1829 .6418 10 958 .6387 9 16 8 11 15 12 .470 14 .5835 15 (plays Washington)
13 Arizona State 13 1446 .5074 13 756 .5040 19 18 17 16 14 15 .660 9 .5571 6 (Plays Arizona)
14 Tennessee 15 1249 .4382 15 654 .4360 12 9 14 15 12 13 .510 13 .4614 18 (Plays LSU)
15 Illinois 14 1254 .4400 14 674 .4493 11 13 7 9 8 9 .370 17 .4198 17 IDLE
16 Clemson 18 897 .3147 17 469 .3127 7 3 10 12 11 10 .380 16 .3358 22 IDLE

I don't see Kansas falling any lower without playing anymore games. Look at OSU and Illinois creeping up without any games for two weeks now. And a two loss Georgia team will do the same. Maybe we should play in a smaller conference

This system sucks. We deserve better.
 
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Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
Don't you think KU will get a BCS bid even if OU wins?
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I think the Big XII gets two BCS bids either way. Mizzou and KU if Mizzou wins. If OU wins, the question is whether Mizzou drops below KU. Mizzou rating is .9751 now, which is a pretty big lead over KU's .7614. The question is, how far does Mizzou drop with a loss to OU? :huh:
 
Junction said:
I think the Big XII gets two BCS bids either way. Mizzou and KU if Mizzou wins. If OU wins, the question is whether Mizzou drops below KU. Mizzou rating is .9751 now, which is a pretty big lead over KU's .7614. The question is, how far does Mizzou drop with a loss to OU? :huh:
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They will almost surely (and unfairly) drop below kansas. Thats the problem I have with polls is that its based too much on records and when you lose. Sure kansas might have a better record than mizzou but mizzous losses will be to the same team (a good one at that) while kansas will have lost to mizzou already. Sometimes you gotta just put the better team ahead in situations like this, im not saying put usc at #1 (i feel they are the best team) but in certain cases the voting should be different than it is.
 
Day and time of this game please? I need to make sure I block out my calendar if it is on during work hours.
 
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