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Is Florida the next Colorado?

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by buffedup, Dec 9, 2010.

  1. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    Legendary coach leaves near the peak of his prime and while the program is among top 5 in the country, and he leaves on kind of a strange note. Florida obviously has much better in state recruiting available, and more money but make no mistake, Colorado was every bit as relevant when Mac left, as Florida is today nationally. To put it in perspective Florida was just beginning to become relevant when Colorado was at the top. Will be fun to watch.
     
  2. badfish650

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    No. They will just re-load. Athletics is a priority to the admin there, they would never let what happened to CU, happen to them.
     
  3. Mick Ronson

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    UF has won NC's under two different coaches in two different decades. we have one NC, and continue to hire coaches (for the 2nd time) from that same 5-7 year run under Mac. I'd give UF the "more relevant" nod because they have established a "program" that is bigger than any one person/coach. i don't think we can say we've done that, at least over the time frame of the last 25 years and elite top 10 achievement (with all respect to Eddie Crowder's 71 team).
     
  4. Jens1893

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    Third if you count the Weasel, but generally I´d agree.
     
  5. RalphieSpeaks

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    no......florida might be the top job in college football. they support athletics and spend the cash needed to sustain the program. they will get a big name coach and continue on.
     
  6. CarolinaBuff

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    No way, this past season is about as low as Florida is gonna go. All the big-time programs that are in down cycles right now like Michigan, Tennessee, Georgia, etc. are gonna be back in the top 10 before long.
     
  7. fatbuff

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    Maybe if Florida was moved away from ground zero of football talent in the South. Its hard to **** up a team down there.
     
  8. Del

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    Difference is that its much easier for a program in FL, TX or CA to get back on top because they have all the best players. Once CU has a few down years its much harder to get back on top because we don't have an in state recruiting advantage or big time facilities
     
  9. UrbanaBuff

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    Michigan, Florida (if you can call an Outback Bowl versus Penn State a down season), USC, Georgia and Florida State will bounce back.

    I'm not convinced with Tennessee yet. They were great in the '90s, but haven't done much since. It's possible for programs to rise up for a period, then slip back down (Colorado 90s, Washington 90s, Oregon 00s, SMU 80s, Boise State 00s, Wisconsin 90s)...


     
  10. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    Maybe I should have phrased it if they will be the next Texas. I'm going to kind of poopoo all of your arguments. It seems inconceivable that given all of their inherent advantages that Florida could slip very far, but I think you all are really not giving momentum it's due. Let's give UT as an example: Money: UT>UF, Fanbase UT>UF, recruiting base UT>UF(especially considering the near blind devotion texans have to their state). UT has everything Florida has and more, they won NC's under Royal yet sucked in the SWC and sucked until Brown came along(this year not included). The SEC is far more unforgiving if you slip up.

    Guess what I'm saying is I think it is not nearly as inconceivable as many think, and as history as shown.
     
  11. Darth Snow

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    they won't be dumb and hire a weasel.
     
  12. CUFan

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    No wackos/DAs actively rooting for the destruction of Florida football in Gainesville.
     
  13. MtnBuff

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    Florida may be more comparable to OU.

    If they make the wrong choice or choices in terms of future coaches they could struggle just like OU did prior to Stoops. At the same time their expectations are high enough, their tolerance is low enough, and their financial support is strong enough that they will not allow their program to sink to the level we hit under Hawkins without an immediate change.
     
  14. White_Rabbit

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    I can see Florida having some rough years. The only reason they have been good for the last 5 years is because they hired Meyer. They essentially lost Spurrier, their Mac, and replaced him with Zook, a good recruiter and ****ty coach (Hi Rick). After that they got a much better version of GB. Maybe their next hire is Hawk? It's not like these big time schools are immune to falling apart. USC before Carroll? Oklahoma before Stoops? Texas before Mack? ND since Holtz? It's obviously easier to fix a school like Texas than it is to fix Colorado, but it doesn't mean it's a certainty.
     
  15. RalphieSpeaks

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    yeah but if UF hired their "Hawk" they would never let him get to five years.....just saying.....
     
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    this may be the dumbest question ever
     
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    The Florida HC job is probably more attractive than quite a few current NFL HC jobs. Up to and including the Broncos.

    I'm being a little facetious....but only a little.
     
  18. MtnBuff

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    Looking at the results since, I wonder if Shanny would not have been better off to take the job when he had the chance. He has done nothing in the NFL since to enhance his reputation.

    He would have been paid very well and college jobs are less stressful and less time consuming than NFL jobs. Shanny would have had the budget to get great assistants and I think would have been very successful. As a recruiter he just shows his rings, turns on the charm, and bang.
     
  19. Darth Snow

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    Hmmmm. Would be shocked if arky lost petrino, they got the money to pay him anything FL can.
     
  20. Unleash Hell

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    This, although I bet Dan Hawkins could find a way to **** it up.
     
  21. fatbuff

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    Excellent point. Tebow who?
     
  22. 77buff

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    Entirely different situation - too much $$$ money involved. Colorado, even when Mac left was small potatoes in athletic revenue,
    compared to other major players at that time. No disrespect to Mac - nobody will do what he did at CU again.
     
  23. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    I strongly disagree with this.
     
  24. 77buff

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    Do you realistically believe CU will win a NC in the near future? There's no reason why we can't have a ranked team, but we just don't have the $, facilities, or fan support to win a National Championship. Things were alot different in 1990. Dan Hawkins was blowing smoke out of his *****, when he said he was here to compete for National Championships. Pac 12 Championships - sure we can win some with the right coaching staff.
     
  25. MtnBuff

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    Is it as likely as it would be for a Texas or a Alabama no but CU can reasonably contend for a national championship just like some big money programs compete for mediority such a aTm and Michigan over the past few years.

    They have been down recently but nobody counts Miami out of the national championship race. The fact is that they have some advantages being in the middle of the Florida recruiting base (and having to compete with everybody and their brother for those recruits) but Miami gets less TV revenue than CU will get in the PAC 12, has lower attendance at lower ticket prices than CU does, and I haven't seen anything about them having a great base of individual donors to up revenue. Safe to say they have lower revenue in football and likely overall than CU but they are considered a premium program.

    For CU to become a championship contender we need the following:
    Certain facilities undates and upgrades including an expansion of Dal Ward and upgrade of the S&C facilities, Bohn has already indicated that this is in the intial stages of planning.
    An upgrade in cold weather practice facilities, the bubble isn't bad and a number of NFL teams use them but an indoor practice structure with a full length field would help in recruiting and preparation. This as well has already been discussed and is not a pipe dream although it is also not immediately going to happen.
    Most importantly a commitment from the administration to allow the football program the flexibility it needs to compete on the recruiting front. This means providing the support in terms of admissions to allow a limited number of recruits who are qualified by NCAA standards into the school who have not been allowed in recent years. Mac had this flexibility and managed properly many of these players not only contributed to the football success but also had academic success. This is a step that can be implemented immediately and not have any significant measurable financial impact on the school or the program.

    We may never have facilities to match Texas or a number of other schools but those schools also don't have Boulder, the mountains, etc. We didn't have the greatest facilities in the country or even the Big 8 when Mac was winning. We did use the advantages we had available and Dr. Gee supported the program in terms of administrative support. Get us back in the ballgame there and the rest is doable.

    By the way the last time I looked Oregon is winning the PAC 10 this year and playing for the national championship, USC has done the same recently. Thus it follows that if you are competing for the conference championship you are at a level to at least be in the discussion for the national championship in at least some years.
     
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  26. FlatironsBuff

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    Tebow. You know. The guy who got moved to TE after he couldn't beat Cody out.
     
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    Being in the discussion and actually winning the Championship game are 2 different things. Oregon is in the championship game, but they won't beat Auburn. The game hasn't been played yet - so yes - it's a definite possibility. I really think Auburn will be a heavy favorite, although the line is 3 points right now. USC has tons of $ - they are trying to buy the LA Memorial Coliseum and the land around it right now.
     
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  28. MtnBuff

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    Truthfully right now, who outside of the SEC representative each year is the favorite for the national championship. If you go by that standard OU, Texas, Ohio State, etc. are out of the running as well.

    I would favor Auburn as well but anyone who would be shocked by Oregon winning this thing isn't really looking at it objectively. Oregon has a fast physical defense that can stop the run and cover the pass, they have an offense that can put points on the board in bunches and a variety of ways.

    Lots of teams would gladly trade places with Oregon this year and go into the NC game as an underdog with a reasonable chance to win including us.

    By the way, when the 90 team won the NC lots of the so called experts gave CU little to no chance against a Notre Dame team that had dominated all year and beaten CU badly the year before. That team proved those "experts" wrong, I would be very happy to have a team have a shot at proving someone wrong again. Get us into the game and then it is all a matter of the scoreboard.
     
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    Oregon has definitely got a shot, but Cam Newton seems to play his best when it's prime time. Big time players make big plays in big games. He just seems to thrive in these situations.
     
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    Thanks, Chuck Knox.
     

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