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Jelly Named as One of the Centers to Watch in 2015

Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by wyobuff, May 10, 2014.

  1. wyobuff

    wyobuff Well-Known Member

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  2. Buffenuf

    Buffenuf massive tool

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    I'm with you. Tad really missed on this guy. Any chance we can pull his schollie and find someone that can do better than All-Pac12 by his sophomore year?
     
  4. sliderNcider

    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    Passing should be his #1 priority this summer. For someone who was immediately double or triple teamed every time he touched the ball, he only managed 22 assists
     
  5. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    with a good season next year he gone IMO
     
  6. J.R. Ewing

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    We get to rehash the Dre, Prich, Spencer debate again. That'll be fun.
     
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    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    The other players on the team need to help Jelly out, they didn't consistently do that last year and it became even worse at the end of the year. I'm not sure why you're expecting a 5 to have a lot of assists or something, he has a high FT rate (#80 in D1) and makes a high percentage of his shots/free throws.
     
  8. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    How you can make even this contentious is just impressive.
     
  9. sliderNcider

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    Like moths to a flame
     
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    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    I just don't expect a 5 to get a lot of assists? Of all the offensive issues, Jelly's lack of assists are a small worry of mine.
     
  11. Darth Snow

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    not even worth it.
     
  12. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Sure it is, Snow. How much more should he have? I don't have the stats but I would bet that most 5's don't have a lot of assists. Could the assist number improve? Sure, but we've got bigger issues. Not trying to make it contentious, but..
     
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    So what are our bigger issues? So we can nitpick at them. TIA
     
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    Lack of shooters, lack of movement on offense, spacing...just quickly off the top of my head. I wonder how many times Josh dished it out only to have the shot be missed (I have no idea and am just asking a question).
     
  15. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    So Tini is handling this incorrectly but Slider's point is also unfair, with as bad as the offense was expecting Jelly to have many assists is foolish. Also because of the system and the challenges we had post Spencer, Jelly was getting double-teamed a long way from the rim. Despite actually being a decent passer Jelly had little chance to create buckets when he was double-teamed 20 ft from the rim. As JG has noted SHT was dropping dimes in the UNLV NCAA game because we had a much more cohesive offense and some cutters:

    http://www.allbuffs.com/showthread.php/97432-Lets-talk-Askia?p=1564516&viewfull=1#post1564516

    I doubt any of us would assert that SHT was a better passer than Scott however he was in that game put in a position to be much more successful that Scott was post spencer. the other thing that makes the use of assists pointless is that Tad's teams, his system, his offense, and his focus on D&R make the assist a rare occurrence. Under Boyle our team has finished ranked below in assists:

    2014 - 264th
    2013 - 325th
    2012 - 268th
    2011 - 88th

    As we all know that 2010-11 team was the offensive outlier in Boyle's regime here.
     
  16. Darth Snow

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    fair points. I was mostly annoyed with Tini's approach to the issue. Tini, this is how it is done.
     
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    This thread is producing the image of Pitt hounding Josh all the way from under the basket to half court. I have never seen anything like that.
     
  18. BuffG

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    Aside from Ski & the games XJ was locked in, Scott didn't have too many options. We were essentially playing with 3 starters. 2 of which run hot n cold, and a bunch of reserves. Need DT, JHop, and Treshaun to become a lot more assertive next yr. That said, Scoot wasn't always quick to anticipate the double teams. It's on everybody.
     
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    Pitt's game plan was the one that Arizona used on the Buffs. Jump the guards 30 feet from the basket and then swarm Josh so he isn't the guy to beat you.

    Tad better have an answer for that this year, because the blueprint is now in place.
     
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    Maybe because he had only 22 assts. last year and self-admitted he was slow in looking for and finding the open man?
     
  21. SECOBuffsFan

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    It really is a flaw in the offensive system...there are generally built in counters to those type of double teams
     
  22. tante

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    can we not worry about the assists and just worry about him passing the ball when he is doubled teamed? It seems like he like to hold on to the ball forever and put his back to his defender. Teams have obviously keyed on this and send an extra man his way. He might have to change his game and make quicker decisions/moves and pass the ball if a double team is coming.
     
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    Saw him here in town. Looking bigger in a good way. May just be tv vs in person but it sure looks like they've got a few more lbs of muscle on him
     

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