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JoPa and his entire staff should be fired

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Wyo Buff, Nov 8, 2011.

  1. Wyo Buff

    Wyo Buff Club Member Club Member

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    They should all be gone. I don't care if everyone thinks Paterno is Bear "freakin" Bryant, his moral acquiesence to a sick monster who used PSU to fuel his perversion, means he should resign immediately. I don't care how old he is or how many games he has won. He is still just a football coach who was too weak to make sure justice was done. His ship, his responsibility. JOE MUST GO!!!
     
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  2. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    ^^^^+1
     
  3. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    Yeah, I really don't see how this can't filter down to Paterno. And if Paterno goes, the entire staff is likely to go. This isn't going to end well. We've seen this play before.
     
  4. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    Wow. Quite the leap there.
     
  5. Wyo Buff

    Wyo Buff Club Member Club Member

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    Really, Frank? This guy at least knew of specific incidences within the PSU facility. He had a moral responsibility to do more than he did. "Success with Honor?" I don't think so.
     
  6. CUFan

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    I see no leap. If anything WYO was being too nice.
     
  7. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    No leap, baby steps. JoePa, according to the NYTimes had a sit down with McQuery at Joe Pa's home, the day after McQueary saw Sandusky sodomizing a ten year old in the PSU shower. There is no way on God's green earth JoePa didn't know what happened. When JoePa saw Jerry the molester strolling around free as a bird, often with young boys in tow at subsequent PSU practices with no adverse consequences, he became part of the squad of enablers who allowed other young boys to be abused. He should be fired, and should leave in disgrace, I don't care how many games he won or how much he gave to Pedo St.
     
  8. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    What I have read indicated that Paterno was advised of something that a then-graduate assistant claimed to have observed. I think that is a stretch to say that he "knew of specific incidences within the PSU facility." He was advised of what someone told him. How did Paterno know whether that GA was telling the truth or not? Maybe the GA couldn't stand Sandusky. Maybe the GA was trying to get rid of Sandusky. Maybe the GA was trying to stir up trouble within the Penn State coaching department. 2nd hand information is generally not reliable - there is a reason it is called hearsay.

    Joe Paterno is not a police officer. Joe Paterno did not personally observe any wrongdoing (at least as much as I've seen reported). He received information 2nd hand. With the information he was provided, Joe went up the chain of command, as was the policy of Penn State University, and told his superiors what had been reported to him. Could Paterno have done more? Sure. But I think it is a stretch to suggest that he had some type of "moral responsibility" to do more -without more information to support it. I will say -- if this was not just an isolated event (i.e. if Paterno had been told about other incidents involving Sandusky before this GA information) I think he has an obligation to do more.

    I am sure we have all been told of "rumors" of wrong-doing before. Everything from extra-marital affairs to knowing a friend was drunk driving to knowing a friend stole office supplies from his workplace. As an attorney I have certainly heard reports of illegal activity. I don't think anybody is under a "moral obligation" to start calling police unless that person has actual personal knowledge of the wrongdoing, or a reason to suspect wrongdoing. The mere fact that someone claims to have observed some wrong-doing is not enough, imo. If I called your boss and told him I had seen you doing something illegal (something I totally manufactured on my own) -- would my comments, alone, warrant a full police investigation into what could be nothing more than my made-up allegations.

    There needs to be a more thorough investigation into just what happened at Penn State when all these things unfolded. At the end of the day it is still a public university and every employee is entitled to certain due process. It is an unfortunate situation, but it is all too easy to look back today, almost 10 years later, and say that you would have acted differently.
     
  9. J.R. Ewing

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    +1.

    @LTColrankSlade. You explanation and excuses are rediculous. Absoulutely rediculous.
     
  10. Del

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    +1 -- They should have at least contacted the police if they were aware of a possible crime that took place. Let the police sort it out. Its not like it was the first incident of something like this taking place.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/244874/20111107/sandusky-penn-state-scandal-timeline-abuse-cover.htm


    1998
    -- First police involvement. Penn State police and the Penn. Department of Public Warfare are contacted by the mother of an 11-year-old boy, who says Sandusky showered with her son and may have had inappropriate contact with him.
    June 1, 1998 -- In an interview with investigators, Sandusky admits showering naked with the pre-teen. He admits that it was wrong, and promises not to do it again. No charges are filed, and the university police chief instructs that the case be closed.
    1999 -- Sandusky retires from Penn State after coaching for 32 years. he remains a volunteer, and retains full access to the campus, football facilities, and The Second Mile camp grounds.
    2000 -- Sandusky showers with a young boy and tries to touch his genitals during overnight stays at the coach's house, according to the now 24-year-old man's testimony to the grand jury.
    2000 -- First eyewitness report. Tim Calhoun, a janitor at the Lasch Football Building on Penn State's campus, tells another janitor and his supervisor that he saw Sandusky performing oral sex on a young boy. The incident goes unreported.
    2000 -- Second eyewitness report. Another janitor sees Sandusky and a boy leave the shower room together and walk out of the building hand in hand, according to the grand jury report. No one reports the incident to university officials or law enforcement.
    March 2, 2002 -- A graduate assistant allegedly tells Coach Joe Paterno that he saw Sandusky in the locker room shower on Mar. 1 with a young boy. The retired defense coordinator was engaging in anal sex with the boy, believed to be no more than 10 years old.
    March 3, 2002 -- Paterno reports the incident to Athletic Director Tim Curley. Paterno tells Curley the grad student had seen Sandusky "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy." The graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Schultz.
    March 3, 2002 -- The assistant, according to the grand jury report, sticks by his story, saying he saw Sandusky having anal sex with the young boy. Schultz, 62, and Curley, 57, told the grand jury they could not remember the details of the meeting. Schultz said Sandusky "might have inappropriately grabbed the young boy's genitals during wrestling," and Curley said he was under the impression, like Schultz, that the affair involved little more than "horsing around."
    March, 2002 -- Sandusky's locker room keys are confiscated, and he is told not to bring his Second Mile participants to campus. The incident is not reported to police, and no official investigation is launched.
     
  11. zbuff

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    My ex is a teacher and not sure if true, or maybe a state issue, but she told me that she had a legal obligation to report abuse she knew about. Why shouldn't this be true (especially) for anyone working in close proximity to children? There should be charges that could be filed, charges that have no statute of limitations.
     
  12. zbuff

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    This post is disgusting.
     
  13. 96 Buff

    96 Buff Resident Commie Bastard Club Member Junta Member

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    I split these posts off the individual recruit's thread as I felt it warranted its own thread.
     
  14. Buffarino

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    It is funny to see you, the first guy to pile on Barnett at any opportunity when he was here, try and somehow defend Paterno.

    Actually, it's not funny, it is sick. But I'm sure you can convince yourself that JoePa is still a righteous guy. I think he's a piece of **** and he bears partial responsibility for the kids Sandusky attacked after he was notified that his good buddy is a pedophile.
     
  15. Buffarino

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    Its not up to him to determine who is telling the truth. That's the job of the police and the DA. But Paterno chose not to call them so he could protect his friend.
     
  16. Fight CU

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    +1. Not that it matters on an anonymous board, but Frank, you have lost my respect.
     
  17. sackman

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    I think Paterno should have done more. He may have justified his inaction to himself by saying he reported it up the chain of command, but that's weaksauce. He didn't have to go to the authorities, as that was not his place to do so. But he should have insisted that the University take action against Sandusky. He should have insisted that the GA be allowed to tell his story to the police. While I don't think it was Paterno who tried to bury this story, he didn't do much to bring it into the light of day, either.
     
  18. CanadianDuck

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    I think Penn State needs a clean plate because it will be a long and tough road with this hanging over their University. They will lose donors, they will lose athletes and they will lose students who might have applied to Penn State.
     
  19. Buffarino

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    He is the chain of command at Penn State (head coach, huge donor, legend). He's hiding behind that justification to protect his buddy.
     
  20. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    Why didn't the GA go directly to the police?
     
  21. sackman

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    I'm not arguing that point. In fact, I totally agree. However, in the scheme of things, what he did (or more appropriately didn't do) is not as aggregious as what the University itself did (or didn't do). It was the University's responsibility to turn this guy in. It was Paterno's responsibility to make sure they did so. Both failed.
     
  22. Buffarino

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    He is every bit as culpable as Paterno and everyone else who covered it up. Looks like a full time coaching position bought his silence.
     
  23. Buffarino

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    I put them all on an equal level. Every one who knew about this and did nothing about it bears some of the responsibility.
     
  24. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Does anyone believe that anyone at the level of a Joe Paterno did not have input on the decision his "superiors" made? Are we really supposed to believe that he reported an incident and let the chips fall where they may for a personal friend and 32-year assistant coach of his?

    And, Slade, the suggestion that the GA's report was hearsay and Paterno didn't know if he was credible... come on, man. If Paterno thought so little of him he wouldn't have him on staff.

    The guy who reported it is supposedly Mike McQueary.

    Penn State Quarterback (1994-97)... co-captain and starting QB in '97
    Penn State Graduate Assistant (2000-02)
    Penn State Administrative Assistant (2003)
    Penn State Assistant Coach - WR & Recruiting Coordinator (2004-present)

    Yep. Definitely sounds like the type of guy who wouldn't have much credibility with Paterno, Curley (AD) or Schulz (Sr. VP). Sandusky kept all his privileges to use facilities and host PSU camps until 2008 when the university was notified of a criminal investigation and had no choice but to ban him.
     
  25. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I don't think that people fully appreciate how big Joe Pa is at Penn State. He wasn't just a football coach. He built that place from almost nothing. He was involved in driving the academic growth, the endowment, the Big 10 affiliation, the enrollment, etc. He's much bigger at Penn State than guys like Bear Bryant were at Alabama or Bobby Bowden were at Florida State.
     
  26. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    There is absolutely no doubt that what the GA said was hearsay.

    I'm not disputing that Paterno could have done more. I'll even grant the moral activitist their objection that he SHOULD HAVE done more. (We all have our own morals - I've never claimed to be more morally virtuous than anyone else - certainly not more than some of the people on here.)

    In my opinion, I'm satisfied that he reported the matter to his superiors.
     
  27. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    We're not talking about a court room.

    If someone close to you who you trusted came to you and said he saw someone at your work having anal sex with a 10 year old, would you dismissively report it to non-law enforcement personnel as "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature with a young boy"?

    Now, consider that the people at your work you reported it to may have titles in the corporate chart that are bigger than yours but that you dwarf them in political power within the company and the community. In fact, their jobs are pretty much to be loyal to you and take care of things that you don't have the time or inclination to bother with. Safe to say that no decision on action is made without your input, right? Safe to say that how they handled it would be in line with your wishes, right?

    Seems strange that the AD and SR VP stuck with Paterno's interpretation of the events even after McQueary stuck to his story when he met with them.
     
  28. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    I'm an attorney. Everything for me is "about a court room." Just the way my mind works.
     
  29. J.R. Ewing

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    So if you knew one of the children who was abused, you'd say "Oh well, he fulfilled his minimum legal duty. No reason he should be fired." ?
     
  30. Buffnik

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    I get that. I'm not arguing that Paterno should be arrested. Sounds like he obeyed the law.

    But the law does not equal morality.

    Morality goes beyond the law. It even demands that we violate unjust laws. Paterno didn't even need to go that far. All he had to do was show some human decency in caring about this child and putting it in the hands of people qualified to investigate things. To protect other children. He chose to protect his friend and his program instead while covering his ass with a weak and slanted report to people who were technically superiors.
     

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