Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by sliderNcider, Feb 22, 2016.
One of my favorite players for CU and a fan favorite. I rank him up there with the likes of Asad Ali, Ted Allen, Greg Jensen, Fred Edmonds Howard Friar, Jamahl Moseley, and Austin Dufault.
He'll get a standing O from me on Sunday.
Your post makes me realize I don't know squat about CU Basketball history. If you put up a list of those names simply asking which were CU players, the only one I immediately recognize is Dufault.
Glad to be a more attentive fan these last 5-6 years though, and a season ticket holder the last 4.
Have loved Josh since I saw the fight in him as a skinny freshman who refused to be pushed around. Pac-12 bigs when he came in weren't nearly as athletic as this year's, but they were big & strong.
He's been a damn warrior for us. I'm really hoping he can go out in style.
Just wish he'd been fed the ball more, especially when the offense was struggling. A huge part of Buff rebounding advantage during his tenure.
Not only one of the best big men to play the game at CU ... He is a great young man who seems to me to have a positive sense of life that affects those that he comes in contact with and is mature beyond his years. He will go far in life.
He has been a great representative of this state and should go down as one of the greatest players to ever represent Colorado in both high school and college for this state that doesn't really embrace basketball. I would put Chauncey #1 and Scott #2 and if Scott has the kind of NBA career Chauncey did I might bump Scott to #1
I think a four ranking lists could be started here to try and celebrate Josh for his contributions to CU basketball. They are:
1. Best hoops players that played HS in Colorado.
2. Best players that played at CU.
3. Best players that played both HS in CO and at CU.
4. Best big men to play for CU.
Here is my attempt.
Best hoops players that played HS in Colorado:
1. Chauncey Billups
2. Joe Barry Carroll
3. Tom Chambers
4. Scott Wedman
5. Pat Garrity
6. Right now Josh would be somewhere in here with a bunch of other guys, his pro career could dramatically move him up the list.
Best ever players from CU:
1. Chauncey Billups
2. Scott Wedman
3. Cliff Meely
4. Jay Humphries
5. Chuck Williams
6. Alec Burks
7. Jim Davis
After that there are a lot of guys, but here is hoping Dinwiddie & Roberson improve and climb this list and that J. Scott gets on it.
Best CU and CO HS:
1. Chauncey Billups
2. Scott Wedman
3. Josh Scott
Best CU big men:
1. Cliff Meely
2. David Harrison
3. Jim Davis
4. Josh Scott
5. Shaun Vandiver
LOL at Harrison over Scott
Donnie Boyce was the second best ever to play at CU in my time ... he is missing from the list
I totally agree with you here.
Are we talking about raw talent or the guy you want to go to war with for 30+ games? Josh blows Harrison out of the water in terms of who I want on my team.
Harrison was rated significantly higher coming out of college than Scott is. There is a reason for that. Physically he was more imposing and had more upside than Scott does. Mind you he definitely had some issues with where his head was and he certainly didn't have the outside game Scott has. That being said, Harrison played with only one other borderline NBA caliber player and CU still managed an NCAA Tournament while he was playing. Scott has played with several other borderline NBA talents. Also, it wasn't till pro teams realized Harrison was a headcase that he slipped to the end of the first round. Scott isn't being projected in the first at all. So until Scott does something at the pro level (and I think he will) he can't really be bumped ahead of Harrison.
You're right I didn't include Boyce as by his senior year he had kind of maxed out (Thus the lack of an NBA career). I would say Burks was better than Boyce and that his pro career is proving this out. I think Dinwiddie and Boyce would be an interesting discussion. Best thing about lists is that we all will likely have different opinions and bring up good arguments for or against players.
Add me to the "No way Harrison is above Scott" list. I'm sorry, but DH was one of the most frustrating players in CU history.
Best player at CU not best pro prospect
20 & 15 against ASU would be a fitting end given Josh's history with them. Get Josh the damn ball. It's our best bet to limit those droughts
I agree, Josh over Harrison. Harrison took WAY too many games off.
I think that you may have forgotten some history about Boyce. He was a sure fire first round pick as a senior. He dropped over 40 points on Kansas that year. But he suffered an horrific injury while playing in what I think was to be his next to last game. It was a horrible sight. Notwithstanding that, Atlanta took him on the second round and paid him to rehab. He spent the next year rehabbing and returned to try to make a comeback in his second year with Atlanta, but he could not return to form and that ended his time in the NBA. I think that Boyce was better in his time than anyone that I have seen play at CU over the past 36 years ... except for perhaps Chancey Billups ... But snapped a leg in two can put a damper on an NBA career.
I actually remember Boyce pretty well despite my obvious age. I thought he was going to be beyond special after his soph year. That year I wished he would take it to the hoop more. He finally did his senior year but his numbers dropped (19.1 soph, 22.4 jr, 18.9 sr). I think the primary reason for his senior decline is he tried to be a more well rounded player and not be a pure two guard. He could shoot the ball lights out and could take a game over if he was hot. Chauncey did that, hot or cold, Burks did that hot or cold (usually cold...in fact I don't think Burks was a very good shooter, no idea if stats support that though), even Dinwiddie took over games in ways other than scoring. Boyce was a scorer. I don't think that made him a better player. Just my opinion. If my list went top 10 Boyce would likely be in it.
For some of you that don't recognize those names and want to think those old timers weren't any good. See if you can find old info on Cliff Meely. Probably the single most athletically gifted player to ever step foot on a basketball floor for CU (regardless of era) and if I was judging players just on their playing time as a Buff as Slider mentioned above, it wouldn't even be a contest. Meely would be it with room to spare, but back issues hampered and shortened his pro career so I down graded him.
Back on topic, I hope Josh gets 25 pts, 15 rbs and 5 blocks in each of his last two home games. He isn't just a great player he is also a class act.
Boyce breaking his leg was the worst thing I have ever seen happen to a CU player. I'm guessing some poster are too young to even know this happened to Donny.
Scott > Vandiver > Harrison
Donnie Boyce. My all-time favorite Buff hoops player. Carried the entire squad on his back for years only to break his leg in his last Buffs game. Screaming in agony in an eerily silent arena... Very grateful to this day that the Hawks honored a comittment to him (albeit 2nd round vs 1st round).
Josh Scott definitely in my top 10 at CU.
Also CitizenKane you forgot Micheal Ray Richardson from Manual High. And yes Micheal is spelled correctly.
Oh, and how could you forget Gondo?
Vandiver had sweet old man game.
Meely was the best big in program history. Any discussion of an all-tme CU starting 5 begins with Meely and Billups written in ink.
I would respectfully disagree though with the importance you place on NBA success in your lists, as well as this post. Harrison had two borderline NBA players with him (Morandais and Pelle), and this year's team has just a borderline Scott, at least based on this year's performance (maybe some of the kids show themselves as prospects next year). Scott will likely not get a sniff of the NBA, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a far superior player to Harrison, or didn't mean so much more to the CU program than Harrison. Do you think Chris Copeland should be ahead of Scott's in any list?
Harrison sucked balls...THE MOST frustrating player I've seen at CU, and one of the most I've ever seen in college bball...heard he was a nice and decent guy, sans the drugs, but on the court... ...he sucked so bad...hated watching him play...My CU Bigs - Meely, Halderson, Davis, Vandiver, Scott.
And to your lists, again too much importance on the NBA. In terms of HS, as someone else said, you forget Michael Ray Richardson if having the high pro-slant you do (also Reggie Jackson), but based on just HS, that list needs to altered. Mark Randall and someone else were McD's AA, and old timers will speak legendarily of Ronnie Shavlik, who also had a great college career at NCSt.
Let Jelly and Goofy Boy Swag live on forever! Love Josh
Just a small personal story no one will care about but here it is. In no stretch of imagination are josh and close or even friends but last year I lived right below him. First week he comes down to introduce himself and stuff. He was the only neighbor to do so and he's probably the "big man on campus." For the rest of the year he was the most personable person in the entire complex. Always invited my roommates up to hangout, play video games etc. I highly doubt many guys who are the best player at their big school would do that. Usually they are arrogant but he was the opposite. Great dude on and off the court.
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