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Just a thought

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by BuffsRising, Jun 1, 2009.

  1. BuffsRising

    BuffsRising Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if Emory Blake, Diante Jackson or Bryce McNeal are having some second thoughts? Those guys would have been competing for a starting job as a freshman.

    Another thought: perhaps Josh Moten will move to WR right away? I know he wants a decent shot at QB, and he certainly deserves it from what I saw, but.....
     
  2. sweaty teets

    sweaty teets Club Member Club Member

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    if anyone of them are, it would probably be diante, but i doubt it.
     
  3. BehindEnemyLines

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    I guess we'll find out real quick which of the young wr's have been preparing themselves this spring. The one that's done some serious off-season work is gonna have a legit shot at pt.
     
  4. sackman

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    Word is that Diante was having second thoughts from the moment he signed the LOI to the ducks. But a lot could have changed since then.
     
  5. BuffsRising

    BuffsRising Well-Known Member

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    Not that it matters, they can't break their LOI's, it just occurred to me that they might be regretting not coming here. Seriously, those guys could have started opposite Simas by the conference schedule.
     
  6. Darth Snow

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    Moten to WR looks like a near lock now if he picks up the offense quick enough. We need speed in the worst way at the WR position. Jfly was teh 2d quickest guy on the TEAM... and now even with the incoming committs we have no real burners among them.

    So its moten or some unknown to provide the stretch. Josh was HUGE to the offense this year. WIthout him, the defenses won't have to play us nearly as honest. They can stack the box that much more. Look at the importance Ted Ginn (sp?) had to that OSU offense. Smash the ball and throw it deep doesn't work if you don't have a WR that can seperate....

    So go Moten!
     
  7. rodrigo

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    Uh, sure. Maybe I'm missing something but I wasn't aware Moten was a known entity at wr.

    And to compare Josh Smith to Ted Ginn... please. Nothing against J-Fly but as has been pointed out ad nauseum, the guy was simply not a big-time college receiver. He certainly had the wheels to be, but all those drops meant that was barely enough to keep defenses honest.

    I agree with your assessment that teams will stack the box if CU can't throw over the top but I'm not so sure you have to field track stars to accomplish that.
     
  8. BuffsRising

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    We might not have to field track stars but we need at least some speed at WR. I like Simas and McKnight but neither is going to make safeties back off the line. I was really looking forward to Smith and Simas being the starters, I thought they'd really compliment each other. McKnight is a great route runner but he'd be best as the third receiver in the slot, with a speed guy over the top and Simas on the other side.

    Which leads us to getting fast guys at wideout as quickly as possible. Ussery? No. Simas type. Darden? Ditto. Simmons? Don't know how fast he is, and he may not qualify. So, Lockridge and Moten seem like possibilities.
     
  9. rodrigo

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    My point: if the dbs are 20 yards down field from the line of scrimmage they won't be making many tackles until after the four-headed monster has a head of steam. Speed is not the only way to stretch the field - though for God's sake let's hope the end-around option left with Helfrich. While 4.3, 4.4 speed gets a guy separation, and is nice for those long, game-breaking touchdown receptions, it isn't a prerequisite for keeping a d honest.

    Geer down the middle. Simas and McKnight, et all 15 and out.
     
  10. BuffsRising

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    Both safeties don't stay 20 yards off the line of scrimmage if all you have is possession guys. You need explosion, guys who can get upfield(either before the catch or after), or else at least one safety is going to be in the box to stop the run.
     
  11. The Guest

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    Simmons got his work done in the Spring and is tracking. He's got summer courses and he sounds confident that he'll be a Buff. Of course he gets here late, but claims to be a quick study with a playbook.

    He's said to have been clocked on a sub 4.3. Apparently he's freaky fast...
     
  12. BuffsRising

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    Heard about his good work in the spring, hope he keeps it up. Juco guys are always a risk for us so I'm being cautious.

    didn't know he was that fast. If he's a legit 4.3 on the field, then we have our guy, assuming he picks up the scheme quickly.
     
  13. SINKRATZ

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    Scheme my ass. If he truly runs a sub 4.3, his playbook should have one page which reads:

    "Run fast, catch ball."
     
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    I hear Simmons continues to hammer the books hard to qualify. If so, he probably see's a huge opportunity staring him in the face.
     
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    :yeahthat:

    The biggest issue here will be getting the timing right between him and Cody. Cody has to wind up and chuck it if it's going 40 yards downfield. It's like the difference between a 4-iron and a wedge.
     
  16. B1Buff

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    Okie light and TTU don't have the burners and they consistently put up big passing numbers...just sayin
     
  17. sweaty teets

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    i would describe dez bryant as nothing other than a burner with incredible hands.
     
  18. B1Buff

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    great size and a great route runner...he has a 4.45-4.55 40.
     
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    hm, thought he was faster. i just remember that catch he made against us with one hand and subsequently brought to the house.
     
  20. BuffsRising

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    And OSU and TT run the spread, and their big passing numbers come from taking short passes up the field. If we are going to be running out of two back sets then we need speed to keep both safeties off the line. Unless you guys want to keep the spread. But I seem to remember that the spread wasn't too popular on this board last year.
     
  21. B1Buff

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    Probably the best WR this year with out a doubt.
     
  22. B1Buff

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    True, but we run a lot of scheme route combinations too, similar to the spread. You can keep the safeties honest running out of two backs as long as we run good routes. Contrary to a lot of what I have seen here, scotty Mcknight will be a factor to get this done
     
  23. BuffsRising

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    Yeah, our offense last year had a lot of similarities to the spread, mainly because we were running the spread. Amazing huh? But we aren't running the spread anymore. Any resemblance between the spread and what we are going to run next year is going to be slight at best. We are going to be, in the words of our new OC, running downhill, and having the qb drop back to pass.

    Whether you are running slant routes, deep posts, fly patterns, it takes explosiveness to make both safeties account for your wideouts, regardless of how good your routes are (although they are going to be more important this year). I love Scotty McKnight, but if you think he's keeping the safeties off the line then you are very much mistaken.
     
  24. rodrigo

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    Of course not but if two wideouts and tight end are 20 yards down field you better have 3 if not 4 dbs down there with them. Sneak that safety up and possession guys - who can catch the rock - like McKnight and Simas will make you pay.
     
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    And if he had that down, how much farther behind in understanding the playbook would he be (from where Josh is)?
     
  26. B1Buff

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    On passing downs in a 2 back set you have 4 - 5 receivers (2 WRs, TE, 1-2 backs)...I don't care what team you are, if you cheat the safeties up, you have 1-1 coverage on the outside and it is all about routes; the safeties are going to have to stay honest. As soon as they cheat, mcnight will burn them on the intermediate routes and Simas will have big games on the outside with his size.
     
  27. BuffsRising

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    We weren't talking about obvious passing downs; we were talking about keeping BOTH of the safeties off the line so that the other team couldn't keep 8 guys in the box to stuff the run. Yeah, teams aren't going to have 8-9 guys in the box when its 3rd and 15. And yeah, if you run three receivers 20 yards downfield then 3-4 guys are going to be covering them. That doesn't have anything to do with anything. The point is, on 1st and ten, or second and 5, downs when the offense can ignore down and distance, can you force the defense out of stacking the box with both safeties? Having at least one receiver on the field with explosiveness is a must. One safety back would be more than enough to help single coverage with McKnight and Simas. We need Simmons to be the starter, and McKnight to be the slot guy when we go three wides. I love McKnight, but he isn't keeping both safeties off the line, and neither is Geer. If a speed guy is keeping both safeties back, not only does that help the running game but it opens up those nice intermediate routes for guys like McKnight (or Simas) and Geer.
    We can still move the ball without Simmons on the field, but if we want to be an explosive offense than we need explosive players, and that means guys like Simmons.
     
  28. B1Buff

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    correction...downs when we are running pass plays. It isn't going to matter as long as we have balance and use the play-action. our strength is the run game and that will be no secret to anybody. my point is only that we have the ability with the personnel we have to beat defenses with the scheme. Our situation is not good at WR, but it isn't terrible.
     
  29. buffs04

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    Would any team in the Big12 swap WR's with CU? Honest question, but we seem to be in as bad of shape as anyone.

    There is no guarantee Simmons gets in or produces. There is no guarantee whatsoever that Simas produces on the field. After these two guys and McKnight, who IMO is best suited as a slot receiver (no insult to him, he has been rather productive, but if he is your best receiver then you have a personnel problem), we have absolutely no one. Maybe one of the walkons could end up being a Cody Crawford type player... sweet?

    I will hope for the best but WR play is going to be an issue here unless Simmons or Simas ends up being a Dez Bryant, Jeremy Maclin, or Michael Crabtree type freshmen sensasion. Even presuming that is the case, which I think is unlikely, none of those 3 players would have looked nearly as good at CU as they did at their respective schools.

    I would hope that we hang our hat on the running game, or this could be a long season.
     
  30. Highflyer

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    and only Dez Bryant played as a true frosh. The other RS'd
     

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