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Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by FChairbanks, Dec 5, 2009.

  1. FChairbanks

    FChairbanks muthaka slayer Club Member

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    so...say bama beats uf and the fuskers beat the whorns....does tcu (a mwc team) play in the mnc?



    if that scenario plays out, how does that affect the opportunities for the mwc to move to a bcs conference?




    okay...two questions...sorry.
     
  2. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    You would think so, or Cincy. But I don't see it happening. I heard a UF/Bama rematch is possible if Texas loses.
     
  3. ScottyBuff

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    #1 is tough to answer. Florida has the best computer scores and human polls, the computers might not drop a 1-loss Florida below an undefeated TCU or Cincy. But the polls might vote them out.

    Cincy and TCU have a narrow margin between them in either the computers or the polls, since Cincy just won against Pitt in a really good game the human polls could swing it their way and the impact on the computers is hard to guess at this stage. Oregon State losing doesn't help Cincy. If Clemson wins the ACC it could push TCU further ahead in the computers.

    #2 doesn't really matter if they make the MNC (according to the BCS criteria) officially. However you have to think that if TCU made it into, and WON, the MNC that it would boster their resume even more. The conference would still have to have another strong showing next season from it's top teams as that is the 4th year of the review period. Inviting Boise could still bolster their resume as well since they need high #'s of Top 25 teams, and a high "overall" average from the conference to stand any chance of getting an auto-bid. Selling 30,000 seats and a high TV rating probably would be the deciding factor towards the BCS awarding the MWC an auto-bid, as it isn't all about on-field performance.
     
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    i cant see rationally, why TCU would not get thier shot at it. thier schedule has been good enough, imo.

    on how it plays out.... if tcu gets beaten stupid, say 45-10 or something like that, i think it plays to the hand of keeping them out. now, if they were to win? yes. keep in within say, 10 to 14 points its debatable, i suppose.

    there are many good reasons to put that confernce into the BCS. if they make it and have a good showing, it will only enhance thier cause.

    i dont think it will be an issue though.
     
  5. MtnBuff

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    I think Cincy jumps past TCU based on a tougher overall schedule including todays game against a ranked opponent. They were very close coming in and Pitt can do nothing but help Cincy's SOS and in the polls.
     
  6. CarolinaBuff

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    Like Scotty pointed out the Oregon State loss hurt Cincy's chances of getting in the MNC game should UT lose, but the ACC title game tonight will be a big factor in TCU's final BCS ranking.

    My 2 cents is that TCU is better than Cincy with the eyeball test, but Cincy may get the slight edge in strength of schedule.
     
  7. FChairbanks

    FChairbanks muthaka slayer Club Member

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    okay...say the mwc pulls in boise state and fresno state from the wac. is that a bcs level conference?

    i'm thinking yes...
     
  8. Darth Snow

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    at the top? yes... at the bottom? no.
     
  9. FChairbanks

    FChairbanks muthaka slayer Club Member

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    parity in the bxii and the big t(elev)en is not much different...
     
  10. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    agreed, overall MWC with BSU and FSU would be better than Big 12 right now.
     
  11. ScottyBuff

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    Personally I say yes.

    But from a technical standpoint, I don't think Fresno State is necessary and makes 1 more "mouth to feed".

    I think the MWC is taking a slow and steady approach and will only add Boise State if it is ABSOLUTELY guaranteed that it will get them in as an auto-bid conference.

    If they invite them in the off-season that they will join in 2012, then they can use the "Big East" provision that allowed the Big East to include Louisville's high rankings prior to joining the conference as applicable to their "BCS resume" to maintain their auto-bid status. In this case they would forcing the BCS to "put up or shut up" about their criteria for auto-bid procedures.

    Once they became an auto-bid conference I think they would wait before expanding again. Right now, I don't think they can "sell" a conference championship game to the extent that the other conferences do, so it isn't as lucrative per school to them as it is just to gain BCS access and divide it up between 9 or 10 teams.
     
  12. FChairbanks

    FChairbanks muthaka slayer Club Member

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    here is another question...how many regions around the country have three bcs teams within a 100 mile radius?

    if that bcs scenario plays out, how would that affect the college football climate in the denver/boulder/fc/cs area?
     
  13. ScottyBuff

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    It would be great when they are winning, that's for sure.

    Probably not a whole lot different for a few years until that "BCS money" has time to work its way into the programs.

    The MWC still has a pretty crappy bowl picture, an inferior TV network (# of households), and the BCS factor only provides better exposure for the team that is winning that conference.
     
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    You saying that would bolster the college football interest in the Denver area? Or is that what you're asking?
     
  15. FChairbanks

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    i am asking for other opinions and input.

    but, in my opinion, if the front range had three teams in autobid conferences, college football in this region would be taken seriously by the almighty networks...and revenue resource potential for cfb would significantly increase.

    i hate to admit it...but i am rooting for the fuskers tonight...
     
  16. CarolinaBuff

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    I'm sure it would increase the interest, especially in the case of csewe. Or at least it should, because then maybe they would feel like they were playing for something after the CU game is over. No disrespect to AF, but I have a hard time believing that a conference with a service academy would be made a BCS conference. Plus AF draws fairly well in the rank of MWC schools, but there are a few teams in that conference that draw very poorly. :huh:
     
  17. ScottyBuff

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    Just FYI

    Official BCS rankings:

    1) .998 Alabama
    2) .943 Texas
    3) .888 Cincinnati
    4) .884 TCU
    5) .864 Florida
    6) .811 Boise State

    So, Cincy winning over Pitt, combined with Clemson's loss to GT looks like Cincy would have jumped into the MNC game over TCU, if Texas had lost. (Assuming of course, that the voters would have kept the same order).
     

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