My guess: one or both of 1) the insurance company or Argus suggesting or requiring this and/or 2) data from other Pac-12 teams that have done this showing a significant increase of in-stadium concession sales after they made the change.
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New "Clear Bag" Policy at Folsom
- Thread starter Buffnik
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My guess: one or both of 1) the insurance company or Argus suggesting or requiring this and/or 2) data from other Pac-12 teams that have done this showing a significant increase of in-stadium concession sales after they made the change.
They are just following the NFL. If the League does it, colleges will follow suit eventually. Just like the wear pink in October trend. Once enough schools adopted the policy, it becomes a standard. You can e-mail until you wear your keyboard out, it won't make a bit of difference IMO. Everybody just has to decide how much more BS they will put up with to see a game live, I guess.
I started with my main contact at the foundation once he and I talk I plan continue to escalate it. One of the things that is also really stupid about this is that the gate that back up are the ones on the south end where students come in, students are the lowest % of bag carries and the highest % of sneaker-ins of booze.
As noted by Nik above my guess is also that its a third party driving this - if nothing else i want to make them tell me who and why.
I've been taking my kids to games since they were little kids. My oldest moves into Farrand tomorrow as a freshmen and had no desire to look at any other colleges. CU should be creating policies to encourage more families to attend, not make it harder for them. Getting families into games creates the generations of fans (and donors) that CU lacks.
The needs of the fans are different in an outdoor venue in a cold weather state. Nobody needs to carry a blanket with them when they go to a game in Los Angeles or Lubbock. Those are not locations CU should look to for examples of stadium policies.
The volume of a change of clothes for your toddler looks very different when the game temperature is expected to be 80-90 degrees than it does when the temperature is expected to go from 75 down to 45 when the sun goes down. And the volume increases even more when kickoff is expected be in the low-40s, and then go down from there.
Hell, the volume of accouterments your wife needs is much different in the above weather scenarios.
This is the type of policy that seems reasonable when you look out your office window and the sun is shining and it's 90 degrees, but then you find out it's a disaster when the wind is blowing and the temperature is 36.
The volume of a change of clothes for your toddler looks very different when the game temperature is expected to be 80-90 degrees than it does when the temperature is expected to go from 75 down to 45 when the sun goes down. And the volume increases even more when kickoff is expected be in the low-40s, and then go down from there.
Hell, the volume of accouterments your wife needs is much different in the above weather scenarios.
This is the type of policy that seems reasonable when you look out your office window and the sun is shining and it's 90 degrees, but then you find out it's a disaster when the wind is blowing and the temperature is 36.
You could, but then you'd be that guy that compares income in an attempt to prove a point...
As to everything prior to that statement, all I will say is fair enough. Maybe my opinion on this matter will change when I have kids, if I decide they need to be apart of going to games when they're still in diapers. I've been going to games with my dad since I was 7 or 8 years old and somehow, we always seemed to have everything we needed by carrying a jacket (gloves and a hat inside the pockets if there was potential for cold weather), and a seat back. We've even smuggled some hot chocolate and peppermint schnapps or whiskey in a thermos.
Bonus points for using the word: accouterments.
This policy is making me have second thoughts about having children. I don't like having to carry my keys and wallet everywhere and now you guys are telling me kids require blankets, diapers, change of clothes, etc if they're out of the house for multiple hours smh.
You parents are the real MVP.
You parents are the real MVP.
when they are real young you also get to feed them every three or so hours
Basketball games are much easier than football games. 2 hours vs 3 hours. Indoors vs outdoors. I've given up on football and my son is 8 this year. It's just a pain in the ass and I don't enjoy the game.
Zippers sold out. Just the open top which is $9.99.
Either do the fans in your surrounding section! Leave the kids at home!
Folsom really could use a "Family Friendly" section when they do the West side. Similar to what many MLB parks have done.
Yeah you say that, we were in Albuquerque at the Pit for an NCAA regional. Anyway, dude makes a steal and just dunks the hell outta it, my son about lost it. I spent the rest of the game carrying him around. That place can get loud though.
When I took my younger kids to games, we only did it early in the season when it was warm. I didn't deal with toddlers and cold weather. That helps cut Abs list of stuff in half. Next season, when the youngest is no longer bottle fed, he'll be able to cut more items.
That said. I think this policy is like TSA security theatre. It doesn't really prevent anything from getting into the stadium if someone is determined to get it in.
That said. I think this policy is like TSA security theatre. It doesn't really prevent anything from getting into the stadium if someone is determined to get it in.
BuffaloSoldier76
Unsound Meat
I'd really like to know the following:
1) What data on security improvement led to the decision to implement this policy, or was it simply following the "best practices" standard set by the NFL as recommended by the Department of Homeland Security?
2) How has the data shown that the NFL clear bag policy has decreased the number of terror attacks in stadiums (which was previously zero)?
3) How many additional entry lines and security screeners are they planning to add to offset the increased security screening times that adding this policy will incur?
4) Why are security policies being implemented that discriminate primarily against women and children when the vast majority of terror threats are single, childless males?
5) Can a separate entry point be added in which I can provide them with my TSA Pre-Check number? If TSA and DHS has already screened me to not be a threat on a plane, can that apply to stadiums, please?
Every year the athletic department keep telling me more clearly that the view from my couch is the better option. I'm the dummy who keeps overriding that knowledge and going to the games to subject myself to this type of nonsense.
1) What data on security improvement led to the decision to implement this policy, or was it simply following the "best practices" standard set by the NFL as recommended by the Department of Homeland Security?
2) How has the data shown that the NFL clear bag policy has decreased the number of terror attacks in stadiums (which was previously zero)?
3) How many additional entry lines and security screeners are they planning to add to offset the increased security screening times that adding this policy will incur?
4) Why are security policies being implemented that discriminate primarily against women and children when the vast majority of terror threats are single, childless males?
5) Can a separate entry point be added in which I can provide them with my TSA Pre-Check number? If TSA and DHS has already screened me to not be a threat on a plane, can that apply to stadiums, please?
Every year the athletic department keep telling me more clearly that the view from my couch is the better option. I'm the dummy who keeps overriding that knowledge and going to the games to subject myself to this type of nonsense.
The separate entry option is a good compromise. I could send my Dad in and I'll take the backpack with all the extra stuff in it. The extra hassle will be enough to keep a lot of folks from bringing anything other than the plastic bags.
Actually a very solid compromise.
Actually a very solid compromise.
I simply don't agree. College athletics have always been more family friendly. The cheaper tickets, the familial nature of the fandom. The familial connections to the school. The additional pagentry and tradition.
It is much more personal, and much more conducive to families.
The bolded is my situation exactly.
Which is why we should have a family-friendly area dedicated on the west side. Family bathrooms, maybe a playground area. Kid-focused food & whatnot. Covered seating to keep out of the sun & other elements. Not too close to the band due to the noise. I would definitely pay up for that.
This is pretty much the only conclusion to draw. I enjoy seeing a game live, but if it is going to be a hassle, and look like airport security, well, let's just say I am happy with my large hi-def flat screen.
I'm old and can't tolerate cold anymore. There have been a couple of games where I was just miserable. I'm never doing that again. The last freezing assed cold game I went to, I had a big bag with blankets and an extra hoodie in it. If they ban that, I'm done. I'll watch on TV since I switched to Dish and should now get most, if not all, the games in the comfort of home.
I've added some comments above in bold.
I can see the clear bag being a reasonable policy at an event like a National Championship or Super Bowl, or maybe in a city like New York. But for the most part, I think we are just letting the terrorist win.
Straight up or against the spread?
BuffaloSoldier76
Unsound Meat
Have you attended games at Sports Authority Field prior to and after they instituted the clear bag policy? If you have, then you will have certainly noticed that the wait time at security has gone up, not down. That is the first-hand observational data that I've collected to support my belief that this is having the opposite of desired effect. The lines are longer outside of the stadium. Not to scare anybody, but realize that if somebody really wanted to attack one of these venues their best outcome would come via walking into the mass of waiting people and detonating something. The longer security lines create a larger, softer target outside the stadium, and they wouldn't have to deal with any security personnel to make that happen.
You are absolutely right. This is a private company doing screening, not the TSA. A private company that is patently horrendous at their existing job without adding any additional responsibilities on top of that. Do you have any idea how much illicit booze is taken into Folsom on any given football weekend? They can't get that one thing right, but by all means we should trust them to protect us against a terrorist threat.
It does seem logical that you would want to provide as safe an environment as possible at sporting events and large gatherings, but putting that safety into the hands of largely untrained Argus/Andy Frain security personnel making minimum wage is a facade.
Precisely. Well said.
The longer waits at Bronco's games are due to more thorough security checking, not because they now have clear bags.
The use of clear bags makes it easier to check, and also discourages people from bringing in unnecessary items. Both of which will reduce the time to check, compared to backpacks and large purses packed to the gills. But I will not be surprised if it takes longer to get in, due to the heightened security.
The alternative to having Argus perform this is what exactly? Do away with it completely?