1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

New Offense?

Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by jgisland, Oct 6, 2014.

  1. jgisland

    jgisland Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2007
    Messages:
    2,468
    Likes Received:
    471
    It's no secret that Tad Boyle is a defensive minded coach. We hear defensive and rebounding continuously mentioned by players, coaches and recruits alike. #TadBall is #TadBall for a reason and we also see tweets like this [tweet]517504737382383616[/tweet] coming out of his coaching clinics. But it's October so we hear things like "pushing the pace and playing up-tempo". After the first practice Tad had this to say - ("It is nothing that is a major overhaul but we want to play faster, we want to attack the basket constantly and obviously we have to get the ball inside to our big guys," Boyle said. "Our philosophy on offense hasn't changed but there are some new things that we put in that I like right now. Being effective when we get in the heat of battle, that is the challenge.". This is something we’ve heard before and we’re hearing this once again. Historically CU’s been above average on offensive possession length and below average on overall possessions in the game. This is largely due to the defense that Tad employs. CU’s straight up no gamble defense makes teams run it late into the shot clock.

    Avg Off Poss length
    NCAA RankAvg Def Poss LengthNCAA Rank
    201417.8153201417.7138
    201317.9148201318.4227
    201217.5110201219323
    201117.172201117.6105
    % of initial FGA in Transition
    NCAA RankOverall TempoNCAA Rank
    201430.252201466.3178
    201330.337201365216
    201227.186201265.7189
    201167.9104



    But is something new possibly on the horizon? Is Tad downplaying this new offensive approach? Josh Scott doesn't seem to think it's nothing major. "The new offense keeps people moving," said junior big man Josh Scott. "I like the new offense. I can be more of a playmaker out of it because they were putting a lot of attention on me and Askia [Booker]. If everybody moves, they can't just double team [us]." Passing out of the double team was certainly an issue last year with Scott, teams collaplsed on him and the lack of movement in the offense made it nearly impossible for him to find an open man. The lack of movement has always been an issue as CU is consistently in the bottom 1/4th in the NCAA in assists to field goal made.

    Assist/FGMNCAA Rank
    201448.8247
    201342.3341
    201250.4253
    201150.1250

    XJ also doesn't seem to think this is "nothing major" "We had a lot of rust, you could say, as far as knowing plays, but we're also starting a whole new offense," junior Xavier Johnson said. "I'm enjoying it a lot. "Last year, sometimes ... we were stagnant, standing a little bit too much. In this offense, there's a lot of cutting, a lot of back-door (cuts), and there's a lot of ball screens and a lot of movement, a lot of free wheel. I think if everyone gets it and we all work together as a team and play teamwork basketball, we should get a lot of (wins) this year."

    And then AllBuffs very own (am I allowed to say that?) tweeting this out today..

    [tweet]519158163061628930[/tweet]

    All in all I've come to expect to hear things like this coming out of Tad's mouth, but with Scott an XJ both calling this a new offense and Will (who's probably been at more practices than any non-player or coach the last few years) tweeting out things like that......Maybe, just maybe we're in store for a little shake-up in the offense this year.
     
  2. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2009
    Messages:
    80,781
    Likes Received:
    16,501
    Great work pulling all that together, jg. Reptastic!

    I'm right there with you. I get the strong sense that Tad is downplaying this and the players are letting their excitement leak out. If I had to guess, I believe we will see some concepts that we're used to seeing from Notre Dame and SMU based on the coaching influences.
     
  3. GoonieBuff

    GoonieBuff Not really Club Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2011
    Messages:
    4,552
    Likes Received:
    323
    I hope this is what we've been wanting. I love the player comments.
     
  4. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2008
    Messages:
    56,968
    Likes Received:
    4,979
    Interesting stuff jgi. I know my first response was negative ("we've heard this before") but you've pulled together enough evidence to convince me something more than the usual is happening. Let's hope it's effective and that Tad trusts it come crunch time. I won't miss our "let's rest so we are ready to play defense" offense.
     
  5. FLounder

    FLounder The Buffs will rise again! Club Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2011
    Messages:
    6,182
    Likes Received:
    466
    I just want alley oops.
     
  6. CVilleBuff

    CVilleBuff Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2010
    Messages:
    19,528
    Likes Received:
    1,610
    Please let the days of large swaths of game being spent resembling headless chickens be over!
     
  7. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2009
    Messages:
    80,781
    Likes Received:
    16,501
    I won't miss it either. But, dammit, that's also a big part of some of my most cherished memories of the Pac-12 Tourney title run and the NCAA win over UNLV that followed. I don't know if I've ever seen a CU team in any sport that had more fight in it than that one.
     
  8. jgisland

    jgisland Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2007
    Messages:
    2,468
    Likes Received:
    471
    I mention this every time - but that UNLV game CU had more cutting than in any other game Tad has coached. I actually just checked the box score - it seemed like Simba dropped about 5 dimes in that game to cutters, (box score reveals he had none). I'm guessing that Carlon/Ski/Dinwiddie were just getting fouled on Simba's potential dimes, but that seemed to be one of the only game CU's had real cutters.
     
  9. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2008
    Messages:
    56,968
    Likes Received:
    4,979
    Completely agreed. But I'm ready for a different kind of memory, and I doubt we ever get to a point where a team buys in to the defensive identity that completely again. Hell, even that team only really did it for that late run. #tadball is hard on the heart.
     
  10. Buffalo Brad

    Buffalo Brad Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2005
    Messages:
    8,950
    Likes Received:
    1,182
    Great consolidation JGI. I actually caught Tad's comments and then heard/read some of the others. Did not out it together but would be ecstatic if we could see some more motion. Love the D but attacking and up tempo will increase our advantage here are home. Make it a punishing 40 minutes of hell (harkens back to the days when the Razorbacks were a good team) on both ends of the floor.

    Hope to see some of it at altitude.
     
  11. PuebloBuff

    PuebloBuff Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2005
    Messages:
    224
    Likes Received:
    17
    It was really kind of eye-opening how Josh lit up when talking about the new O in that rivals interview. I am excited to see what comes out of this and how it impacts our line-up combos.

    But on the pace of play stuff, I'll remain semi-skeptical. Sure, we'll run off turnovers and probably urge our ballhandlers not to walk it up but I don't think it's in Tad's DNA to do anything that would make us consistently vulnerable in transition D like pressing for extended amounts of time.
     
  12. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2005
    Messages:
    10,562
    Likes Received:
    1,548
    I'm with Snow on the "I'll believe it when I see it" grouping, but damn if this doesn't get me a little excited.
     
  13. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2009
    Messages:
    80,781
    Likes Received:
    16,501
    20 minute scrimmage from the 1st week of practice. Score: 57-50

    That's a monumental shift. Like 20 points per side above what I'd expect.
     
  14. Shldr2Shldr

    Shldr2Shldr Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2011
    Messages:
    16,848
    Likes Received:
    5,005
    Tad has said he wants to run a 40min of hell type of system ever since he has been here. I think we now have the depth and the speed all along the bench to really push it. D needs to be better than it was last year, and if it is, that kind of offense would be brutal at altitude.
     
  15. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2008
    Messages:
    56,968
    Likes Received:
    4,979
    Practice, bro. Unless otherwise proven, When games start, tadball will take over.
     
  16. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2005
    Messages:
    10,562
    Likes Received:
    1,548
    But this opens up the can of worms - how bad was our D?
     
  17. Shldr2Shldr

    Shldr2Shldr Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2011
    Messages:
    16,848
    Likes Received:
    5,005
    Were Jelly and XJ on the same team?
     
  18. BuffLuKe

    BuffLuKe Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2006
    Messages:
    18,566
    Likes Received:
    1,126
    Are we gonna run like a Spurs type system? I'd be cool with that, they move the ball better than any basketball team at any level. They get a look damn near every possession.
     
  19. dply

    dply Doble hoja Club Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2008
    Messages:
    20,383
    Likes Received:
    2,472
    Newn taken.
     
  20. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    48,534
    Likes Received:
    4,527
    This makes a lot of sense when you stop to think about it. Tad has implemented his defensive system. The team gets it. There's no tweaking left to do there. The system is in place. The logical progression is to put in an offensive system to complement it.

    This is going to be a special year.
     
  21. tante

    tante Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2009
    Messages:
    25,787
    Likes Received:
    1,359
    Well you can argue the 2011 (Pac 12 tourney champs) team got it more than last year's version.
     
  22. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    48,534
    Likes Received:
    4,527
    That team had a lot of upperclassmen, though.
     
  23. tante

    tante Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2009
    Messages:
    25,787
    Likes Received:
    1,359
    But all guys only had 1 year of Tad's system. But let's face it, only 1 freshman got a lot of playing time last year (JHop).
     
  24. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2009
    Messages:
    80,781
    Likes Received:
    16,501
    Do you really get so nervous before the start of basketball season that you're actually worrying yourself over whether a Tad Boyle team is going to play defense? :lol:
     
  25. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2009
    Messages:
    80,781
    Likes Received:
    16,501
    I mentioned SMU before (Larry Brown) as a likely influence on the offense. Gregg Popovich is a Brown protege.

    I also brought up Notre Dame, since Sean Kearney was a long-time assistant of Mike Brey (who runs a version of Coach K's Duke offense, where Brey was a long-time assistant).

    Logically, those would be the primary influences on whatever the new offense is. Previously, we were nearly identical to what Mark Turgeon does (aTm and Maryland)... and that's not a great offense.
     
  26. CVilleBuff

    CVilleBuff Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2010
    Messages:
    19,528
    Likes Received:
    1,610
    Goose, I can assure you we aren't going to lose to Drexel while giving up 104 points.
     
  27. PuebloBuff

    PuebloBuff Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2005
    Messages:
    224
    Likes Received:
    17
    I agree Cville, but I wonder if the new O played a role in this year's gentler OOC schedule.
     
  28. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2010
    Messages:
    26,503
    Likes Received:
    761
    I think it's now schools not wanting toplay us in a home/home contact
     
  29. CVilleBuff

    CVilleBuff Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2010
    Messages:
    19,528
    Likes Received:
    1,610
    I think what tini said above is correct. We're just in a difficult spot for scheduling. Boulder is very distant from everywhere and you'll lose if you play us in the Keg. Add in CU refusing to do 2 for 1 with blue bloods, and we simply are in a tough spot.
     
  30. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2005
    Messages:
    10,562
    Likes Received:
    1,548
    But that could just be because Drexel is really slow and deliberate. :lol:

    I'm just saying that before we start praising the offense because of a scrimmage we need to consider the D may not have been top notch.
     

Share This Page