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Next HC Coaching Experience Criteria

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Gold, Nov 29, 2012.

  1. Gold

    Gold Well-Known Member

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    Mandatory (must have at a minimum to be considered, plus either 1st, 2nd or 3rd Tier qualifications):

    -Offensive or Defensive Coordinator at a BCS program, or
    -Offensive or Defensive Coordinator in the NFL


    1st Tier Qualifications (after mandatory is satisfied):


    -HC experience in the NFL w/ demonstrated success (playoffs, winning record)
    -HC experience in a BCS program w/ demonstrated success


    2nd Tier Qualifications (after mandatory is satisfied):


    -HC experience in D-1 football (non-BCS) w/ demonstrated success
    -HC experience in the NFL with marginal success (+/- .500 record for the most part)


    3rd Tier Qualifications:


    -Only Offensive or Defensive Coordinator experience in the NFL
    -Only Offensive or Defensive Coordinator experience in top BCS programs (Notre Dame, Alabama, etc)


    Optional


    -Extensive experience coaching TE position



    After the Hawk and Embree eras, the theme they shared, aside from terrible football, was lack of OC/DC experience at a significant level. Based on what we've heard, there's no chance we take a gamble on a coach without OC/DC experience in the BCS or NFL, so that's good. But there should be an organization to how coaches are ranked. When using the criteria above, our current situation looks like this:


    1st Tier Option:
    -Bobby Petrino
    -Charlie Strong
    -Jeff Tedford
    -Dan Mullen
    -Al Golden


    2nd Tier Option:
    -Jack Del Rio
    -Butch Jones
    -Gus Malzahn
    -David Doeren
    -Sonny Dykes
    -Tim DeRuyter
    -Mike MacIntyre
    -Gary Andersen


    3rd Tier Option:
    -Greg Roman
    -Bob Diaco
    -Kirby Smart
    -Justin Wilcox
     
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  2. BuffClass90

    BuffClass90 Banned BANNED

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    A major criteria for me is to have demonstrated ability to turn a program around quickly. That's probably my number 1. So that would be Anderson, Dykes, DeRuyter etc.
     
  3. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    I'd say my preferences for the HC position would be Petrino, Mangino, and Dykes.

    Dykes is the son of former Texas Tech HC Spike Dykes. Dykes has an impressive resume coaching WRs such as Wes Welker at TT.
     
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    skibum Peed in your Cheerios. Club Member

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    Bellotti (sp?) should be tier one by that criteria
     
  5. aeroxx

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    I'm not trying to bust your chops, but if a coach can turn the program around quickly, then why wouldn't it be your #1?

    What else is there?

    Isn't that the goal, after all, to have a successful football program as quickly as possible?

    How to achieve that goal is complicated, as I've argued elsewhere. The path is uncertain and littered with failed experiments. And in the language of my previous metaphor, some pretty disgusting food.

    Simply hiring a coach who has been successful in the past, in a totally different context, with totally different people, is no guarantee in being able to duplicate that effort, in the present context, even if the other resources are the same.

    Obviously, everything else being equal, I would rather have a coach who was successful and had transformed a BCS program around, than someone who hadn't. Belloti comes to mind as the best bet. But even in his case, there is a lot more that needs to be examined, to make sure there is a good fit. He was right to ask a lot of probing questions in 2010, before turning down the offer.

    All of this is to say, I hope Bohn doesn't try to take an intellectually lazy shortcut without performing the due diligence we need. This is what he did during the previous hires of DII and with Embree (or else he didn't stand up and perform his job effectively). Throwing a bunch of ingredients at the wall to see what sticks is no way to hire a football coach.

    :bang:
     
  6. MiamiBuffs

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    In an effort NOT to start yet another ****ing thread in this overloaded forum I have decided to bump this miserable thread.

    Maybe we should look at the DCs at these schools.

    RankTeamGPlYds AvgTDYdspg
    1Alabama1271928043.9014233.67
    2Florida St1278129933.8321249.42
    3BYU1272231964.4322266.33
    4Michigan St1275732794.3319273.25
    5Florida1278933914.3017282.58
    6Notre Dame1275734474.5510287.25


    Did ND really only give up 10 touchdowns? Really? Wow.

    This is of course IF were going after an assistant. And if your going to do that there are some guys at these schools that are putting together some pretty strong production.
     
  7. Gold

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    Compliment taken. Thanks

    I agree with looking at DC's from top programs. I think having OC/DC experience only puts you into the 3rd Tier, but one of these guys could be a homerun. Smart and Diaco used to get a lot of hype, and now they're nowhere to be found in this search.

    There's no one candidate that jumps out as having OC/DC experience at a top program + HC experience at a lower tier school with demonstrated success. Jones was OC at Central Michigan. MacIntyre was DC at Duke. Not exactly top programs. Only Dykes and Doeren are the mid-tier guys that have the experience I'm looking for from that category. Almost no chatter on either of them.


    Lot of discussion over who to pick, and I haven't seen any requirements from Bohn or anyone other than "I want a HC from an AQ school". Ok, that's a ridiculously large net, which is why it seems we're after every HC in the nation. It's just not how most people conduct job searches. There should be mandatory skills, and then preferred skills to prioritize. This is why most people in sports aren't cut to make organizational decisions. They lack business sense and ability to prioritize correctly.
     
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    Well, the subject met my criteria, the thread was less than 1 page and hadn't yet taken on a life of its own (or a disgusting tangent), and it was on page 3. So, think of this as "help" rather than criticism. :smile2:
     
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    I know. I have to check 10 websites and a couple dozen threads every few min to keep up. It's a bit much!

    My tangent is most successful HCs were DC/OC at a top program. That's where we should start. The requirements I've heard so far from Bohn are comical. He's more likely to make another mistake if he doesn't apply better search criteria than "needs to be an HC from an AQ school".
     
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    We're not getting much traction so far despite my febrile attempt to save your thread. In fact one will probably even read this. So its back to page 3
     
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    chipwich Administrator Club Member Junta Member

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    Says the guy who HAD to post his crappy youtube video in it's own thread.
     
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    Crickets
     
  13. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    We need a coach who made something out of nothing, not just turned a program around.

    7 years of losing and few solid recruiting classes mean we don't need the guy who turned around UCLA, (or any other program that faltered, but had the pieces laying around to pick up).

    We need someone who came out of nowhere. Anderson is a good example of this, the first time I noticed him is when they played Auburn down to the wire. I didn't even know there was a USU before that game. Barnett is another good example of this before he came to CU. I originally defended Hawkins, years ago, because he took over a successful program, and didn't F it up for 5 years, in hindsight, but he wasn't equipped to handle something that wasn't running smoothly.

    Embree wasn't equipped to handle any scenario because of his career path.




    Sorry for the threadjack, Miami.
     
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    well said. I agree.
     

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