Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Spanky, Dec 20, 2010.
4 wins +/- 2. No bowl.
Next year is going to be tough. The year after when we lose guys like Speedy, Hansen, Miller and a lot of other OL, Clemmons and others that I can think of off of the top of my head is going to be even more rough. This year the staff is going to have to perform well, because I think year 2 is going to be really difficult.
IMO, this is why Mac wanted back and to bring the current guys heading CU in. He would be the fall guy when we lose in year 2, but hopefully recruiting will be really up so the underclassmen will have time to come in, redshirt if need be, and be ready by year 3 or 4 when he would retired again to leave it to Embree/EB.
I really fail to see how 2 losing seasons in a row are going to convice kids that CU is on the up and up again. I really think this team needs to come out and have a solid season this year and next. I'm just not confident that it will happen. It really sucks to look towards the future as a CU fan at the moment.
The doom thing is a joke and all, but the doomsters were right in last time...
I predict we finally get a road win. The rest of my prediction is doom, so I will not elaborate.
I don't know. Mac was able to get the top guys in-state even after losing to Drake 2x over the past few years. CFB is different today than it was in the early 80s, especially with TV showing nearly every game, but it's going to take time to rebuild. We aren't going to go in and take the top recruits away from USC/UCLA and now UO, but teams like OSU prove that you can (nearly) win big in the Pac10 with middle tier talent if the coaching is in place, this year notwithstanding. It starts with us keeping our top talent in-state though.
Attrition is also going to determine how long this effort is going to take as well.
Remember, when Hawk came in he recruited well with a top 15 class. A lot of those guys didn't pan out for various reasons, but it's doable even when we went 2-10 and then 6-7. We need to go .500 in conference play next year and do ok at tOSU. Navy played them tough last year (or was it this year?) so I know we can, if we catch a few breaks and play a short game, especially with the way they play as well with Tresellball usually keeping it conservative, especially early in the season. Still not expecting a win, but I just hope we don't get steamrolled. The year after next is going to be very difficult, no matter the situation.
Sure as hell better win enogh games to go to a bowl. Momentum would get buried with another losing season. Embree and staff weren't brought here for losing seasons.
Keeping that Cal game on the schedule is brutal.
Somewhere between 6-8 wins is where this team should finish based on the talent. Senior dominated team and the new intensity we saw under Cabral says we could make some noise. New coaching staff growing pains, 5 Pac-12 road games (plus a roadie to Ohio State), plus having USC and Oregon on the home slate says that we could be looking at a rebuilding year.
Too early to call. But if I have to make one, I'll go in the middle with 7-6. That would give us a bowl game and a lot to sell to the 2012 recruiting prospects.
****. Seriously, we need to schedule lowly FBS teams like New Mexico so that we can get the 3 easy OOC wins and only have to win 3 games in conference, well I guess it'll be 4 this year. Ugh it's gonna be rough with this schedule.
I thought Portland State was replacing Cal? If not, I'll revise my six wins prediction to five. That said, Embo and EB have made clear they aren't ****ing around, so I would not be surprised with eight wins. College football always offers a few surprises, I see no reason we can't be one of them next year.
This move should've been made a year ago. The future would be a lot more promising. Although many of us were disappointed initially with the Embo hire (not me), the fact that we now have three of the HC finalists on staff isn't too shabby. Looking forward to this.
i'll take 5-6 wins, bit of a holding pattern but building within the program. getting a bowl game out of these seniors would be a big lift moving forward and give JE something to hit the recruiting trail with, but i'm cautious. so many unknowns with the new conference slate. good for us Moniz at Hawaii graduated, or that might have been a tough one. nothing is given (as in a CU road win), but the kid had a great year.
Hawaii, CSU, and Washington State are winnable. UCLA is loaded with blue chip talent but they always manage to suck. Washington and Cal will have new QBs and are inconsistent teams. I think five or six wins would be a clear step forward. But, you have to worry about getting embarrassed all year after that loss to Cal.
I don't think we have the players to physically match up everywhere. Most concerned about pass defense. The Pac-12 is full of Cali track-star receivers. Not sure that some scrappy sophomore of ours with offers from fresno state and idaho can run with Robert Woods, Randall Carroll, Chris Owusu, etc. I don't think we have the beef at linebacker either. Over four quarters, the horsepower difference is going to show itself. Tyler Hansen vs. Matt Barkley? Tyler Hansen vs. Andrew Luck? You look at the quarterbacks, and it's hard to see many of them losing to Tyler Hansen, as much as I like the kid. Best case is beat CSU, Hawaii, Wazzu, beat UCLA and Washington (darn, just checked and these are away games), then come up big against Utah for six wins. Be "on the rise" and sign a big class of ballers. Winning the game at UCLA would be HUGE. The key to CU football going forward is making UCLA our bitch.
I'm shocked that you don't see Arizona and Arizona State as winnable games.
Even against USC, with the system we're playing and their numbers being down due to NCAA sanctions, we'll have a great blueprint for beating them from the last few years of Stanford games.
I could definitely see a tough year, but I also see the potential for something pretty special. Way too early to be writing our 2011 Buffs off.
I think a lot of people are underestimating USC and Zona coming in here in November at altitude. I would not be surprised in the least if Colorado steals one of those.
I would be shocked if CU won more than 5 games, this staff needs to hit the ground running in terms of recruiting because there is no time to waste... could be another tough few years for the Buffs but i think the fans on this board underestimate how good the teams in the PAC 12 will be next year.
Seven wins. Need a bowl game. I don't care how they manage it or how hard the schedule is. To quote from a bad woody harrelson movie: time to nutup or shutup.
Please just get to a bowl game.
People underestimate the quality of PAC 10 teams because it's easy to do so by saying that the conference is not sending many teams to bowl games. But if you look a little deeper, the picture gets a bit more interesting:
Teams not going to bowls:
ASU - Eligible for a bowl at 6 - 6. Lost to Wisconsin by 1 and Stanford by 4. Beat Arizona.
Cal - We know what happened in Berkeley to us. Lost by 2 to Oregon in a game they should have probably won.
OSU - Tough OOC schedule. TCU, Boise, and Louisville. Beat USC and Arizona.
UCLA - They suck, but they managed to beat Texas.
USC - Went 8 - 5 and are not in a bowl.
WSU - They are horrible.
You have more confidence than I do. 3 wins +/- 2.
OK, I like the spirit of that, but I also had the misfortune of seeing us lose to lowly Cal fifty-two to seven. Ted Miller picked ASU as his Pac-12 South favorite for 2011. They lose two starters total, I think. Close losses to #4 Wisconsin and #5 Stanford this year. Dennis Erickson is a good coach. They are not ****ing around over there.
Arizona was in the top 25 most of this season. They beat a #9 Iowa, Cal, Washington, UCLA, then lost some close ones. I don't know what they return, though. I do know that Nick Folles is coming back, and he's a good NFL prospect at QB. I guess that's a winnable game, but I struggle to picture Folles losing to Hansen.
We lost plenty of good players. The replacements for Jalil, Jimmy, Sipilli, and beatty are not as good. Those were our four best players on D. Liloa Nobriga is not anything close to Sipilli. Jimmy is an NFL starter type athlete. I just don't see the players at LB or CB this year. Genuinely concerned the D will get pass-raped every week. Arthur Jaffee or whoever can't cover Robert Woods running a 10.3 100m.
I have some hope in the offense. The O-line could be good. I like speedy and p. rich. I like will jefferson. I like hansen's running ability. but i don't think he's on par with most of the Pac-12 qbs. I will not be shocked if Hirshman starts for JE.
How do you use Stanford as a blueprint for beating SC? That makes no sense.
I'd be pleasantly surprised with 7 wins. With this schedule, I think 5 is more likely.
That and 5 home games. Bohn is dumb.
A dominant Oline is our only hope for respectability next year. The defense is going to be crap and we are going to need to control the ball to keep our opponents' offenses off the field. Our oline has some potential, but they really didn't show much last year, they are losing the best player on the entire team from their unit, and there will be a new coach. That is not exactly a blueprint for success. You never know though...
Don't confuse me with facts. I know the schedule is harder and the p12 is tougher. I still want them to deliver the improbable.
Only one team, WSU, is as crappy as most of the big north this year.
We're basically running the same offense. Stanford beat them 3 of the past 4 years, including 2007 when USC had vastly superior talent and the loss was the main reason the Trojans didn't play for a national championship.
P.S. Sipili was a major liability in pass coverage while Nobriga was able to play nickel corner he's so good in that department. Beatty was passed by Hartigan at LIZ this past season. Perkins and Major were our leading tacklers while they were healthy. Our entire DL returns. And we lose a lot at corner, but I assume you know better than to think Arthur Jaffee is in line to see significant minutes. It's Pugh and Bell heading into spring.
Agreed. They did not show much last year, but everybody will be a year older. It's the one area where I think we have some depth and good athletes. Speedy is a modern marvel, but he is not jaquizz or lamichael. he doesn't have home run speed, and he is lighter than most short backs. Extremely elusive but goes down easily due to light weight / physics. Jaquizz is 20 pounds bigger than speedy. So, we might have the line but not the backs for a power run game.
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