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Notre Dame joining the Big 10 for 2013?

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  1. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    After nearly 2 years of speculation, and courting by virtually every major BCS conference, Notre Dame announced Tuesday afternoon that College Football’s most historic school will, effective the 2013 season, join the Big 10 conference in all sports, becoming the conference’s 13th team.

    http://sportales.com/football/notre-dame-joining-big-10/

    You guys seeing this being reported anywhere else?
     
  2. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    not yet - but it makes too much sense not to happen.
     
  3. boydbuff

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    Not on ESPN or anywhere else. Hard to believe its true because no recent rumours emerged in the past few weeks and no major news outlet reporting it. Some sort of April Fools in August?
     
  4. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    Once Notre Dame was #3 in the state of Indiana for media revenues, it was only a matter of time.

    Still, I think this sounds a little fishy right now. I'd like to see some more verification before I believe it.
     
  5. tante

    tante Club Member Club Member

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    I don't buy it. The details seem fishy. Five conference games, extra media revenue.
     
  6. huskermark

    huskermark Well-Known Member

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    This is all that needs to be said at this point.
     
  7. MtnBuff

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    Agree with this.

    A few years back it could have happened this way but I don't see it now.

    With the changes in the landscape of college football ND is quickly losing the status it once held. A few years ago giving up the house to ND would have made sense to a conference, now it doesn't. The Big 10 is doing fine without ND and adding ND isn't going to add that much to their brand.

    The only compromises I could see as logical would be to allow ND a transition into the Big 10 schedule which would also help with the odd number of teams now and some variance outside the Big 10 media contracts including the B10 network deal for some of their OOC games.

    If the B10 gives them more than that they are crazy.

    The other question then becomes who becomes the logical other school to rebalance the league at 14 and what does that do to that schools conference. Dominos start to tumble again.
     
  8. sackman

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    At the risk of giving this story more credibility than it probably deserves, the logical other school would have been Missouri. But they shat the bed in their desire to bolt the B12. So what remains is Syracuse and Pittsburgh.
     
  9. Buffnik

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    Watch the ACC and Big East break up if this is the next round.

    I actually think the Big Ten will focus to the south and target Maryland, Virginia and North Carolina. The smoother breakup of things would be Boston College, Syracuse and Pitt, though.
     
  10. buff4bcs1985

    buff4bcs1985 Hail to the King

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    and duke VT andNC State to the SEC?
     
  11. Idot Buff

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    You guys miss the Golic vs Riley battle? No way ND is ready to join any conference at this point. Would take a divine intervention.
     
  12. Darth Snow

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    no. no. no. no more expansion. give us 10 years please.
     
  13. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I think that we'll be looking at schools like Duke and Wake Forest ending up dropping down a level for football (along with Rutgers and UConn) and forming a basketball-focused conference.
     
  14. Junction

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    The only way this makes any sense is if ND were to come in to fill out the conference in place of a sanctioned Penn State....
     
  15. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    I haven't been around allbuffs lonng enough to know if you all are serious on this one....

    BUT sportales is site where people make **** up. hence the 'tales' part.
     
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  17. CarolinaBuff

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    I was wondering the same thing - how legit is that website? That and the fact that it's not being reported anywhere else makes this report very fishy.
     
  18. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Thanks. Someone posted the link on the Scout CU free board yesterday. I'd never heard of the site. I actually read the name as maybe some sort of Spanish.
     
  19. CUAviator

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    I don't understand. What's odd about the big 10 number of teams?
     
  20. MtnBuff

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    You have a point considering that they can't count as it is. I also wonder if you can count Penn State as a whole team, maybe they are a .4

    On a serious note I think that ND is eventually going to be forced into a conference. They aren't a big enough name in the college football world to not be called eventually on having their own special deal. NBC isn't going to jump backfips to give them another deal that is bigger than what their share of the new major conference deals are, 7-5 seasons for a decade don't make them "Must see TV."

    They could end up in a number of different conferences but the most logical would be the B10. Add them to the B10 and you now have 13 schools which makes for tough scheduling and divisions. They did manage for years with 11 teams but I think 13 would be harder to do. Logic would say that going to 14 could add another TV market to the conference. Question is which potential addition would justify addition based on their share of revenues.
     
  21. CUAviator

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    This is what I thought you were getting at :nod:
     
  22. MINN-Buffalo

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    No they are joining the ACC for every sport, but football where they will play 5 ACC teams a year. :lol:
     
  23. BuffaloChuck

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    If you want the big TV money, you get deals with a huge amount of East Coast games. If you want biggest money, you get those deals AND you have less travel. The Big 10 does that for Notre Dame. The ACC-Big East-EveryoneElse doesn't. Even Big-10 night games will be shown across the country in prime time. ND could have been using this month's earlier announcement as nothing but leverage. "I can go somewhere, dear conferences. You don't believe me? You think I'm bluffin'?"

    ND has - what? - 20 other sports programs, each of them consuming tons of travel dollars for their many more games than a 5, 6 or 7 football game travels. Lessen travel expenses. Score the much bigger Big-10 TV payout. And work to keep your own media rights, or at least get 50% of each game's rights and make the conference split the other 50%.

    That's the deal. The Big 10 (and other conferences except Big 12's Texas deal) don't want that. Each Conference Office wants all ownership of media rights. They want to sell Game and Season Highlight videos for THEIR benefit and split it among the conferences. And they want the Media Rights forever. Those are big points in today's entertainment world.

    I can't blame ND or Texas for wanting to control their own - do you really think a central bureaucracy takes care of its masses The Best?!!

    But I don't understand why those central bureaucracies knuckle under and give in. Why not press the issue: "OK, you want your own. But what have you done with them?" Just about NOTHING. Whereas the Central Bureaucracy might do a lot more. SEC Network and Big 10 Network are all over, and aren't arguing with Dish, DTV, etc. They don't have to. They hold up the hoops THIS high, put them to flame and say, "You Cablers jump thru..."
     
  24. MtnBuff

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    BC, everything you say about travel and exposure is correct. ND has another consideration though. Playing a partial ACC schedule plus their "traditional" rivalries gives them a combination of national exposure and an ability to control their schedule to give them the best chance for a solid record and bowl game each year. If they went to the B1G they would have to deal with a schedule that would give them less exposure and likely more losses.
     
  25. BuffaloChuck

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    Mtn, I'm still wondering how big of lever this ACC deal is. For one, it's not even a Complete Move and the obvious question is "Why?" and the obvious answer "ND didn't get everything they wanted."

    Second question remains what it's always been: "Anyone wanna give ND everything THEY want?"

    I'm surprised that the Big 10 didn't do that - or maybe they will soon enough. They have all the East Coast TV markets locked up, and every other TV market, too. Only the SEC has a currently-better money deal - and they too have the East Coast time-zones that supply TV across the country - albeit to some Calif breakfast bars ("9 am kickoffs, git yer breakfast burrito and Bloody Margaritas!!"

    I'd think that while the Big 10's TV deal is only 90-93% of the SEC's, some economist should be able to argue that "Throw in Notre Dame and now the Big 10 Network will earn at least 15% more..."

    I need to research Stadium Size and improvements between the conferfences. The SEC still has a lot of mid-to-small stadiums, and of those, only Miss State is spending something for an improvement (from 60k to 66k in 2014 - not a lot). LSU has a 90k stadium and they're expanding to the 100k range.

    I don't know what the Big 10's up to, but I know the ACC has nothing close to either conference's total seating revenue. But then again, ND's stadium isn't huge either.
     
  26. MtnBuff

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    Should ND be forced in the future to fully join a conference the ACC would be much easier for them to dominate (kind of like the B12 is for Texas, they get past OU and occasionally OSU and there isn't much resistance left.) In the B1G they have to compete with multiple huge resource programs like tOSU, Mich, kNU, MSU, Wisc., etc.

    ND has illusions of being one of the "elite" programs in the nation, their recent on field performance hasn't justified that. Put them in the B1G and they would have a harder time building that back.

    They also make a lot of money off their rivalries with USC, Stanford, the service academies and playing Mich as an OOC game. Full membership would make these hard to continue along with a full conference schedule.

    I think in the end they will be forced to fully join a conference and they probably see that as well. For what they want to do the ACC is probably a better fit. If the ACC should fall away ND will still be able to go into another conference based on their revenue potential.
     
  27. BuffaloChuck

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    Mtn, I'm thinking of a play-off world where "dominating conference" won't be that necessary to make a 1-and-done champ game. Play out the regular season, get the conf championship and move from there. "Dominate all" won't be as important "Win the one important game".

    Sometimes, ND has seen their smaller stadium (80k) as a disadvantage in home-and-home games. Tennessee, for example, would love to have ND agree to Home & Home "and keep your own tix sales". Tenn would get 0% of 80k when visiting ND. ND would get 0% of 100k when visiting Tenn. Tenn's always yelling YES YES YES.

    If you're a 100k stadium program, this is great! Michigan. Penn State. Ohio State. Tenn. LSU eventually. Alabama. Poor GA (only 92k - awwww).

    I think it's interesting to see that, once the ND NBC contract was signed, I'm not sure if "backlash" is the correct title for it, but ND's done just about nothing to earn their NBC-keep. NBC props up those TV shows with as much flash as they can, but their expenses are incredibly high for a very VERY small return - comparatively speaking.
     
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    Oh, and I'm still in favor of breaking up all the conferences, putting 128 teams into 16 eight-team conferences. 7 Conference Games. Give them 3-4 non-conf games. Then have play-offs.

    The first wave would be Conference A vs Conf B - top to bottom - #1 vs #1, #2 vs #2... #8 vs #8. A bragging rights bowl for all teams. Then the 8 winners of the #1 Game would move on from there. Every conference would be paired in this Braggings Rights End-of-Season Bowl game for two years, then they'd shuffle for another two years - Conf A vs Conf G for two years - 1 thru 8 again. All players get to have a bowl game, then.
     
  29. skibum

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    Having done both the west and east coast thing, I would rather be on the west coast and have a few 9am kickoffs, then live in the east and have kickoffs at 11pm or even 12am. There's a reason for "east coast bias" - the games aren't even finished by the time the newspapers go to press. I want to follow the P12 games beyond just the buffs, but I just can't regularly stay up that late anymore...
     
  30. MtnBuff

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    Stadium size is important but not the complete story. The other factor that matters is revenue per seat. The soviet era monument in Stinkin NE is only about 70k but they generate huge $$ per seat putting their revenue above some other schools with bigger stadiums. I don't know what the situation is at ND but I would imagine that they are fairly similar with high seat prices and big donations required to maintain seat rights.

    This is part of the reason they are concerned about maintaining the illusion of being a power including trips to high profile bowls. Becoming a middle of the road team, even in a bigger conference may reduce the ability they have to generate the extra revenues from the seats they have.
     

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