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Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by DBT, Sep 12, 2012.

  1. DBT

    DBT Club Member Club Member

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    I'm not going to rip Embree anymore. After reading his interview, listening to Al and others, I am going to get behind the program and Jon and give him a fair chance to turn this thing around and, really, to prove to me and others that he is the guy for the job. Al had a great point. We are the youngest team in all of the NCAA. He had a great analogy. Do you remember your freshman year in high school? It was awkward and stressful. You didn't know where to go or what to do as the year began. His point is that all these freshmen are, likely, pretty overwhelmed. So, although not happy, and no one is, I will refrain from discussing replacements, calling for firings and being, otherwise, negative. I am going to try to look at this for what it is, a bunch of pups learning how to be men and play as a team.
     
  2. JWP303

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    There were some upperclassmen making bad decisions too.

    I will continue to rip Embree for the foreseeable future, but I respect your decision.
     
  3. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Al, Klatt, and Mac support Embree.

    Water is wet.
     
  4. DBT

    DBT Club Member Club Member

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    Listen, that's your prerogative as well. Rip away. I'm not going to argue with anyone who does. I'm going to let the season play itself out and then reassess.
     
  5. Buffalo Brad

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    Sorry DBT, loose to those two crappy teams and get blown away from a coaching perspective and you land on the hot seat. There needs to some incredible improvement to get the heat off of his backside. Possible, just not probable. Go 0-12 and all bets are off. You look at the rest of the schedule and that is more probable than just possible.

    Not a good combo right now.
     
  6. DBT

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    Klatt has no choice. He led the charge against Hawkins and for Embree. He's kind of painted himself into a corner, :lol: Embree is a Mac disciple. But Al did make a little sense to me. He's probably the most objective of the three if any of them can be objective.
     
  7. DBT

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    The first two games are a big part of the equation. Embree carried a 2.1 GPA into the second year and has begun with a 0.6. Right now, he's not on pace to graduate.
     
  8. bombay

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    Christ. Can anyone think of a guy who slobbered on hawkins knob until after the kansas game. Care what he thinks?
     
  9. rosstr

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    I have a feeling that when we start getting ripped by real BCS teams, not FCS teams at home, your patience will wear thin. Embree will not survive 0-12. 1-11 sounds like a huge achievement.
     
  10. White_Rabbit

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    That's nice. I'm going to look at it like this: we lost to Sacramento State. As far as I'm concerned, Embree has 10 more chances to show why he deserves another year.
     
  11. Darian3Hagan

    Darian3Hagan '89 Player of the Year Club Member

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    Make a move to save this years recruiting.
     
  12. 30Something

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    I don't think this year's class is big enough that you need to be worried about it. The guys Embree is recruiting for the 2013 class are likely eyeing CU as an opportunity to play early, not win a PAC12 championship in their Sophomore year.

    If they don't start showing progress (i.e. we're really young, but turning things around. SEE...we beat a couple good teams after losing to CSU and SacSt), I'd be getting concerned about the 2014 class.
     
  13. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    Lots of ball games left to be played. CU needs to come prepared and ready to play - especially this weekend.

    Fresno State is no world beater. Buffs need to come ready to play. A victory puts CU back on the path to better things. Another loss is one step closer to 0-12, and the schedule certainly doesn't get any easier.
     
  14. Buffalo Brad

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    The best chances to get a win come in the next three weeks and right now, we will be double digit dogs in all of them. Fresno, WaSt and ASU. After that, this team is going to get pounded unless they magically wake up and figure out how to block and tackle. Loose this weekend and I feel we will have a hard time stopping this snowball. The last best chance will be the Thursday night game.
     
  15. BuffUp

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    After watching Altitude Sports Summit: Black&Gold Edition last night Charles "CJ" Johnson and Chad Brown are acting like they are not very impressed with the staff at this point. Couple of subliminal comments made about defense preparation and basic technique and verbal comments about CU's "young" talent should overwhelm a sac st and csu...did say that excuse is growing old, basically. You could tell those guys are truly embarrassed about what is unfolding on the field these past two game, and not to mention the past several years.
     
  16. buffaholic

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    One thing that is painfully obvious is that our best talent on the field so far are pretty much freshmen. They stand out as faster and stronger.

    We got some 2nd year guys like Spruce, Daigh etc who are nice players, but reserves at most D1 schools.

    But we got big time talent it appears in Crawley, Yuri, Mosely, G. Thomas, and Powell (and probably a couple DT's). Also this Hobbs kid has big time potential.

    The fact that these kids are showing up right now speaks more about the other talents we (don't) have. These kids look like they could play about anywhere in the PAC12 in a few years (but be redshirting at most stops this year).

    Outside of Major, Uzo-Diribe, Pericek, DWebb and Bahktiari, I'm not sure we got guys who are on the two-deep at a lot of places.

    Since I forecasted 3 wins with 2 of them being hard fought battles in the first two games, this isn't far from my expectation. With that said, my biggest concerns is with EB, and JE's awful handling of expectations. All the national guys picked CU last. If I was JE, I would have told my team that publicly, I was going to tell everyone we are too young to win any games. It's always about expectations. Under promise and over delivery. Never, ever do the opposite.
     
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  17. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    If the Buffs can't win at Fresno State or at Washington State these next two weeks, then I think the Utah game is the deciding game between 0-12 and 1-11.

    Lose to Fresno and Washington State, and with the schedule of UCLA, Arizona State, AT USC, AT Oregon, Stanford, AT Arizona and Washington on the horizon, it could get very ugly.
     
  18. BuffaloChuck

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    Washington might be a good win for us, but mostly I hope to see player- and unit-improvements. I'll skip the scoreboard except when there are huge differences. Frankly, beating Sac State by one or losing by the closing FG wasn't much difference - not in the overall scheme of things. Seeing us pushed around the last three quarters, at home, that was everything.

    Losing to CSU - they only play one game a year, and have a whole summer to prep for it. We all know that. It's been so long since we've routinely pounded them that I'm almost numb from the win-a-few-lose-a-few pendulum of this Century.

    And I've degraded Sac State as much as anyone else but obviously they are taking a 400th ranked program and converting it into a 300- or 200-ranked, and now nearer the Top 100 listings. Congrats for their seriousness in this process - I never believed they could do it. They sure couldn't the week before against NM State.
     
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  19. DBT

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    Believe me, this (losing) isn't easy for me to take. I'm willing to give Embree the chance to turn this thing around. So, in that sense, I'll support him. At the same time, if, by some strange happenings, Bohn came out and announced sweeping changes and that some big time coach had been hired, I'd be on board with that. But, first, that ain't going to happen and, second, with the youth he has and what he inherited, Embree does deserve the chance to prove he can get it done. Are there red flags? Oh HELL yeah.
     
  20. Ralphandler1

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    Save the recruiting? The staff already has 13 commits for next season and has several 5 star and 4 star guys listing CU as one of their choices at this point...... how exactly does changing coaches save a recruiting class? Fairly sure recruits would be de-committing and we would absolutely lose all the 5 star and 4 star guys interested now.
     
  21. HUFset

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    There are NO Freshmen on the O-Line or playing QB DBT. Just saying...

    I will support Embree, but the play at those two positions is not acceptable.
     
  22. Ralphandler1

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    And my god I said the same damn thing on a new thread yesterday and got like 30 responses saying how stupid it was. Glad someone else is at least able to be somewhat objective here. Give the man a little time.... the pyramids were not built in a day either.
     
  23. HUFset

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    Who? Mitch Parsons had some questionable tweets last Saturday too, not to mention a trip to UW scheduled.

    Klatt?
     
  24. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Not even sure where some of you guys get stuff like this about recruiting. The interest from 5* and 4* players dried up months ago.
     
  25. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    Which 5 star and 4 star players are considering CU???
     
  26. DBT

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    You are a moron.
     
  27. BuffaloChuck

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    And this is why I sent the long-winded 3-parter! Hope you don't mind.
     
  28. Rraalph 3000

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    :lol: I haven't seen anything to date that tells me our coaches are world beaters on the recruiting trails, but maybe my realism is clouding my judgement
     
  29. Yoff

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    Exactly

    Everyone knew this was a young team that was going to struggle. Embree could/should have gotten the fans behind these young kids rather than setting them up for failure by claiming this is a Bowl caliber team. They're not.

    By saying he was going to re-evaluate at every position means to me that he failed to evaluate properly during Spring ball and pre-season. What changed in two weeks?

    If play calling is limited because of the young team, that should also be on the table. If that's not the case, Bienemy may be in over his head, too.

    The staff is learning on the job as much as the players are. The goal should be improvement.

    And speaking of improvement, Embree's demeanor on the sideline could use some. How about having your players backs once in a while? If this doesn't change, he's gonna find this used against him in recruiting.
     
  30. CVilleBuff

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    Or you can look and see that in his second full cycle, recruiting is already on a major downturn. This is not a good class and there were no more than a couple 4*'s that were even remotely considering us right before the season started, let alone after this disastrous start which has Parsons questioning WTF he should do.
     

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