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On a serious note, the thing that bugged me about the game

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by DBT, Nov 8, 2009.

  1. DBT

    DBT Club Member Club Member

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    is that aTm has some awsome young talent across the board. They are on the rise. CU has some good young talent as well, for sure. But not nearly as deep as aTm. I think it showed in the special teams play. They had much more speed, it seemed at least, to me.

    Dan has had one real good recruiting class. In the others, he has brought in some good talent here and there. I worry that this season, with the underachieving, and with the fan anger, will really hurt recruiting for the year. If so, that means that next year is HUGE. If we do not want to have two negative recruiting years in a row, we have to win next year and we have to have stability at HC.
     
  2. Darth Snow

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    hopefully the new coach will fix that.
     
  3. buffsyko

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    I would agree with your post but do you have faith that hawk can get it done with this staff? I do not.
     
  4. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Nail meet hammer. If Hawk comes back next year, we basically have to do much better against a tougher schedule.

    That is the main thing that concerns me about Hawk surviving another year. Let's say (and I'm being generous) that we finish 5-7 and that is enough for him to keep his job with staff changes. What then is the benchmark that must be met? Just the generic "improvement"? A bowl game, which theoretically could be reached with a .500 record? We are in real danger of setting low benchmarks for this program.
     
  5. Unleash Hell

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    Agree, and next years schedule is brutal, might be the toughest one Hawk has faced here. One reason why I scratch my head when people say 2010 is THE year!
     
  6. Clean Undies

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    Wainaminnit. I haven't seen that kind of talk since before J-Fly split.

    Go ask those people now.
     
  7. Buffnik

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    Cal and Georgia may not be as good as we thought they'd be. Depending on what I see out of Hansen the rest of the year and whether the team finishes strong, I could end up being pretty confident about a 3-1 non-conference next year.
     
  8. Clean Undies

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    The 2010 vintage Kool-aid was released early this year. :drink2::rock:
     
  9. CUBUFF80

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    Just like those gimme's against CSU and Toledo this year?
     
  10. Duff Man

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    Realistically, I could see us going 2-2 next year OOC. I could also see us going 1-3. Road games at Mizzou, Oklahoma, Kansas, and NU loom large in conference play. It is a tougher schedule than this year no matter how you slice it.
     
  11. Buffnik

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    But not more difficult than in 2008, when we went 3-1 OOC. And I'd argue that traveling to Cal-Berkeley will be a much easier and more winnable road trip than FSU-Tallahassee was. I see 4-0 more than I see 1-3.

    And, yes, I've started drinking my 2010 Kool-Aid early.
     
  12. Duff Man

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    I still see 2-2 as most realistic. As far as road trips, does it really matter at this point which is considered more winnable? If you lose with frightening regularity, it does not make a whole lot of difference.

    It all comes down to whether you believe the discipline and mental toughness (two ingredients required for road success) that have been absent for the better part of four years are suddenly going to appear in one offseason. As long as those aspects are missing, we can forget about being any sort of contender in the Big 12 North, let alone the conference as a whole.
     
  13. Buffnik

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    I think a lot depends on Hansen. If he's the guy, we should be really good next year.

    We'll be returning a ton of game experience (including the all-important # of starts by o-linemen). Our team speed goes up a lot, too. Primarily at linebacker and wide receiver.

    I honestly see a team poised for a breakout year.
     
  14. Duff Man

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    I will not be convinced experience matters for the OL until proven otherwise. Solder has started for the better part of two seasons and still looks lost at times. Miller has several starts to his credit and still gets beaten with regularity. I am not ready to say the OL is poised for a breakout season. As far as WRs, I am definitely excited about the potential there. Same with Hansen. But we lose a lot at TE and our RB depth is a bit suspect. The offense should be better, but I see some major question marks.

    Defensively, we should be solid on the DL and I think we'll be okay in the secondary. But I am definitely worried about the inexperience at LB. Some talent there and I agree there is an upgrade in size/speed, but we are losing a lot of starts from the group this year. Not wild about the depth overall.

    Special teams, well... yeah. Overall, I see some potential and some major question marks as well.
     
  15. DBT

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    The point is that, if Dan comes back, he has one year to produce. If he doesn't, we will have three mediocre recruiting classes in a row. So, that is the big gamble in keeping him.

    OTOH, if you fire him, this years class is screwed because that is just the way it works. So, then, a new guy will have to come in and turn things around in a hurry. I think the talent is there for that to happen, but its a big gamble, for sure.

    No easy answers. One thing for sure. Continuous attacks on Hawkins on the internet don't help. And that is where I'm coming from. We fans have to stop paining CU football netatively.
     
  16. Duff Man

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    What would be "producing" in your mind for next year?
     
  17. Darth Snow

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    Neither do they hurt. Stop thinking you (and allbuffs) are so goddamn important. I don't understand why you consistently rail against all negativity. The Golden Buffaloes are three and 6, and are a dropped pass or two from being 1 and 8. The negativity on Allbuffs is nothing compared to the problems coming from within the coaching staff. In fact, the negativity has helped because it created the blue out, which at least got the players pissed off enough to fight back.
     
  18. Gateway

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    From what I've seen, recruiting is based on what the coaching staff sells and how they get it done and is result based.

    If you have a weak team with poor coaching, internet fans have not a damn thing to do with it.
     
  19. buffsyko

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    It's dans responsibility and his staff to make this a winning program. Fans on the internet being negative is a scapegaot and a very dumb one at that. I don't want another off-season of BS hype, excuse, and more rhetoric and then the season comes and we have yet another losing campaign.

    People who blame the internet instead of making the head coach accountable have their head up their ass.
     
  20. Clean Undies

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    Nor the color of one's shirt. :deadhorse:
     
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    Why are we playing Cal and Georgia in the same year? I understand the need to play these kind of games occasionally but playing two in the same season is stupid and unnecessary.
     
  22. White_Rabbit

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    I expect at the very least a 2-2 OOC record next year. Beating Cal and Georgia certainly won't be impossible, but I have little faith Hawk can muster it.

    As far as the recruiting goes, I'm really worried about it. Last years class wasn't bad, but we can't have continual classes of that type. We're headed for another one this year and if we keep Hawk and then he doesn't produce next year, we'll have 3 straight subpar classes, each worse than the previous.
     
  23. FlatironsBuff

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    'Netatively'. Negatively through the internet. I think DBT has found the new 'idot'. I like it!
     
  24. DBT

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    "For sure"? I'm not convinced you understand what those two words mean when placed together.

    I think it's safe to say that when a team has a losing record that many fans will be upset and vent through various media.

    It's additionally likely then when a team consistantly wins most of the fans will be happy, and the things they write on the internet will tend to be positive.

    Even without actually looking at the internet, don't you think that the coaching staff, the team and anybody else might assume that they could find a lot of negative things written by fans of a program with a 3-and-6 record?

    I'm with you DBT, in that I don't like the form the criticism takes a lot of the time, but different people express themselves differently. But you can't blame angry fans for the team's record, for recruiting or any of it. The fans are expressing a reasonable setiment, all things considered.
     
  26. Swish

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    Good thread DBT. Recruiting is a big concern with this seasons play. We've seen staff have to offer kids that are considered lower tier talent time and again this year because higher rated kids keep going elsewhere.

    I think we are giving this board too much credit though. I would agree there is the potential for there to be some impact, if they find it in the great sea of information called the internet. But is it really a dominating reason as to why we lost Austin Hinder or Brett Nottingham? Did Nick Rowland or Adam Shead buy into all the poisonous anger being vented on AllBuffs and decide to go elsewhere? Did Kona Schwenke or Reggie Wilson figure out what a bunch of Dickwad fans we are after weeks of being guests on Allbuffs and committ to a more flowery enviornments? What about Whiteside? Earls? Dion Bailey? Robert Woods? Malcom Jones? Did we lose these guys because of the negative comments on AllBuffs?? I would put the possibility at about 2%.

    The reason we lose these kids, is the program hasn't regained respect yet.

    1. The team plays poorly.
    2. Four years of Hawk = no winning seasons.
    3. Games on national television - mostly duds where either the offense or defense or both looked inept.
    4. Home games attended by a large # of recruits - last week great - the week before - we lay an egg against a Missouri club that is clearly and rightfully considered mediocre on the national field this year.
    5. In interviews that have the potential for national exposure, Hawk's mood rotates between terse, smug and agitated.
    6. The national and local media has butchered us at times this year (Do you think a week in ESPN's "Bottom Ten" was good for recruiting?)
    7. The nations most highly regarded RB a couple of years ago jumps ship in the middle of the season after 1 1/2 years of under performing, being injured and seldom seeing the field. Are we to believe this will inspire confidence in some recruit out there?


    I know you get upset over all the unreasonableness and negativity you see on the board. I get a little burned out and tired of the poison and name calling myself. Truth is, it is "over the top" and "off the hook" on a somewhat regular basis. But it is also true we are just a small, obscure group of armchair QB fans, whose comments make a very small impact when compared to much more dominating factors in a recruits making a decision to play at CU or not. Not that it would ever happen anyway, but how much would you really like it if everyone did nothing but gush Koolaid inspired posts and threads for the rest of the season? How much of a difference would it honestly make in this recruiting class if the Buffs don't play the rest of the season like they did last Saturday?

    Really for all this to go away, all Dan Hawkins has to do is..........win
     
  27. Clean Undies

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    FIM - Quit making sense!

    Allbuffs is supposed to be about candy canes and lollipops and puppies. Now let's get back to emotionally supporting DBT's fragile emotions that surface in these challenging times.
     
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    :lol:
     
  29. Buffarino

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    aTm always has a lot of talent. Even when they suck. It's just a product of being a big school in Texas..

    They consistently do less with more than just about anyone else, outside of maybe UCLA.
     
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    Notre Dame?
     

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