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Oregon Facing Sanctions - and it's the recruits that suffer

Discussion in 'University of Colorado Recruiting Archive' started by Buffnik, Jun 9, 2012.

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What's fair with Oregon players?

  1. USC type sanctions - upperclassmen only & for duration of post-season ban (if there is one)

    23 vote(s)
    38.3%
  2. Go farther - let this year's signees out of contracts that were agreed to under false pretenses

    15 vote(s)
    25.0%
  3. Even farther. Let any player leave without penalty.

    19 vote(s)
    31.7%
  4. Neither. USC's penalties went too far and the NCAA shouldn't go there again with Oregon.

    3 vote(s)
    5.0%
  1. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    The word at the burrito stand is that Oregon is facing major sanctions that will hit in the next few weeks.

    If that comes down, and if Chip Kelly + staff misled recruits on the severity of what's going on as alleged might be the case by SB Nation Seattle back in March... do you think that the players they signed should have the opportunity to get out of their commitments without having to suffer through the normal transfer rules that would cost them a year of eligibility?

    Remember, with USC (where coaches and the university weren't even directly involved in the football violations it was punished for), players in the program were allowed to transfer without penalty. But it was limited to upperclassmen who would have to spend the rest of their college careers under a post-season ban.

    How far should things go with Oregon?

    From the article:Throughout the recruiting season it was well documented in interviews with recruits that the Oregon coaching staff was telling recruits they didn't think any significant sanctions would hit the program.

    Really?

    Those coaches knew that the NCAA was investigating Oregon for paying Willie Lyles - as well as a pair of other individuals - $25,000 for access to star recruit Lache Seastrunk. The school maintains that it was paying for Lyles' scouting service, which sent Oregon some useless info and old tapes.


    Also from the article:
    Call me overly skeptical but somehow the claim that Oregon's coaches thought they were getting off easy rings hollow.

    Or maybe it's the fact that Oregon's recently released "Proposed Findings of Violations" was dated Dec. 16, 2011, a full month and half before signing day. In this document, Oregon admits an improper relationship with the aforementioned scouting agency, that too many coaches were on the road recruiting, and that "The athletics department failed to adequately monitor the football program's use of recruiting or scouting services."

    This document is heavily redacted and remember: It's what Oregon's admitting to up front. This is their position of strength. And it was drafted in mid-December.
     
  2. FChairbanks

    FChairbanks muthaka slayer Club Member

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    i'm gonna wait to vote until i see something in writing from the ncaa.

    not that i trust the ncaa...quite the opposite actually.

    in fact, the ncaa's position may taint my opinion on this.

    and that wouldn't be the first time that happened...
     
  3. DesertDawg526

    DesertDawg526 Resident Dawg Club Member

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    I will not feel a thing about Oregon recruits if sanctions hit hard. I'd be shocked if they're let off easier than U$C... It's pretty dumb to think that a school with a head coach KNOWINGLY giving money for recruits will not face sanctions.

    The upperclassmen should be allowed to transfer. The younger ones, they've made their bed.

    The pessimist in me thinks nothing will really happen.

    On the other hand, if the NCAA thinks it's okay to pay for recruits then let the games begin... If you can spend thousands on recruits without penalty then what is not fair game? I say lay it down on Oregon or let the football recruits become the next version of basketball AAU athletes...
     
  4. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    If you knew sanctions could be coming to the school you chose, before you signed, deal with it, you knew that could happen and should be punished as well.
     
  5. FChairbanks

    FChairbanks muthaka slayer Club Member

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    you forgot the "woof"...

    :smile2:
     
  6. DesertDawg526

    DesertDawg526 Resident Dawg Club Member

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    Wooooooooooof!!!!!!:nod:
     
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  7. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

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    I selfishly hope we can poach a bunch of these kids to the Buffs
     
  8. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    Screw Oregon - hit 'em hard.
     
  9. buff4bcs1985

    buff4bcs1985 Hail to the King

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    evan bayliss boulder is nice
     
  10. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Meh give me Parsons.
     
  11. buff4bcs1985

    buff4bcs1985 Hail to the King

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    give me both
     
  12. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Give me Hobbs, Ray, Irwin, and Parsons.
     
  13. buff4bcs1985

    buff4bcs1985 Hail to the King

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    my gut says the irwins will both be tackles
     
  14. HotRack

    HotRack Rez BubbleHead Club Member

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    ^^THIS^^

    and ^^THIS^^...kick 'em in the junk and castrate the ****ers, no good johnny come latelies...
     
  15. fatbuff

    fatbuff Well-Known Member

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    As long as Phil Knight and his money are involved with Oregon, the NCAA will not do ****. Nike spends a lot of money on college sports.
     
  16. MtnBuff

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    Hope you're wrong but I think you are probably correct. NCAA tends to listen to $$$ more than anything else.
     
  17. bigbang2

    bigbang2 Typical, brain knowledge or the ability to have a

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    Give me Ray, Hobbs, Parsons and Irwin.
     
  18. SuperD

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    Plus...while you always want to see someone punished appropriately, if the NCAA lays the hammer down on Oregon while letting Ohio State and North Carolina essentially skate, it does open them up to allegations of playing favorites for certain conferences.
     
  19. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    I'd personally love to see the hammer come down hard on the ducks. Any advantage we can get, you know?
     
  20. TDbuff

    TDbuff Club Member Club Member

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    It's not like Nike is an investment bank, an insurance company or something. College football is where Nike's equipment gets displayed, used, and advertised. Nike can't really take their ball and go home if they're pissed off about Oregon, because it would hurt their product. And Oregon hasn't been successful long enough to gain blueblood status. If there's a lack of enorcement here, it's just typical NCAA bs.
     
  21. GoBuffs08

    GoBuffs08 Well-Known Member

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    The only way the NCAA will get any traction with penalties if they make them more severe. Instead of the standard 2 year ban, make it 4. Allow players to transfer without penalty and increase the scholarship reductions.
     
  22. sackman

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    Somebody brought up the system that is used in soccer (I know, ghey) where coaches have to have some kind of license to coach. If they're caught cheating, they get their license revoked. I think a similar system would work here. That way you couldn't have a situation where Neuhisel (for instance) gets away while the team he screwed over takes the brunt of the punishment.
     
  23. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    Not so fast my friend. The only reason Nike spends a lot of money on college sports is because they make a lot more back. Nike is welcome to cut off their nose to spite their face.
     
  24. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Oregon: The Program that Child Labor Built
     
  25. MtnBuff

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    ^^This^^

    Have the coaches sign a contract that specifies that pending a system with due process through the NCAA, the penalty for cheating is a suspension from employment with any NCAA member institution in any capacity within the time guidelines specified. Also state that any university hiring a coach with prior violations will be held accountable in the discipline process as if those violations occurred at the hiring instition.

    This would help take away the financial incentive for coaches to cheat knowing that if they get caught they can just move on to another school. See Jackie Sherrill for an example of this. It would also slow down the schools who knowingly hire a cheater with the idea that "we've been pretty clean. If we get in trouble we won't be hit hard and it's worth it to finally win."
     
  26. DBT

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    After USC, I think the NCAA should hit Oregon with everything they can. USC has done pretty damned well even with the sanctions. The cheating was worth it for them.
     
  27. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    I think a lot of people have failed to realize, including sports journalists, that the scholarship sanctions JUST started with the last class because USC was appealing and continuing under normal limits. So they have two more limited classes of 10 per year reductions. This is going to take a while to trickle down, but it will absolutely be felt when they are missing 30 scholarship players even if they have incrediblie talent. They are not only not out of the woods, they are really just entering them.
     
  28. sackman

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    Not just the NCAA - but any organized football. Anything from Middle school to the NFL.
     
  29. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

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    Would like for CandianDuck to come gives us some insight. Before he said that no severe penalties were expected - but it sounds like this situation continues to smoke.
     
  30. MtnBuff

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    I would agree with you. The question is if they could legally do that. It is one thing to exclude someone from employment in your organization (the NCAA) in which everyone has agreed to that set of rules and restrictions. It is another to tell someone that they can't work period in their choosen field, even for someone who wasn't part of the agreement.

    You might be able to get the NFL to agree to go along. If they went to work at the HS level they would be taking a major cut in pay so the penalty would still be significant.

    Overall though your original post is on the right track. If it is the coaches that are doing the cheating then the coaches should bear their share of the penalty, not just move on to the next paycheck leaving a wake of sanctions in their path.
     

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