Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by OKCBuff, May 7, 2010.
I am all for this, but we need to cut the fat a little... a 22 conference league would not be all that fun. But if the Big 11 are indeed stealing Missou and the fuskers that helps. Lose a Texas team, lose Washington St and maybe someone else from the Pac to get this thing under 20 teams.
The BigPac TV network. Without details, I don't really like the idea. Yeah, CU might see some additional revenue from the new TV package, but I don't think it helps CU with the main issue with the current Big 12, and that is everything is UT centered, they have all the $, and get to make all the rules.
If KU and MU leave the Big 12, the Big 12 North is a waste. If that happens I would rather see the PAC 10 expand by a few teams and take CU.
Me too, but we may not have much of a choice in the matter.
Keep in mind that nothing has happened yet. NOTHING. Lots and lots of rumors running around. Lots and lots of speculation about what the landscape of college athletics is going to look like, but as of right now, nothing has changed one bit.
It wouldn't be combining the conference, just sharing a TV deal.
That is what has always made the most sense. They form a joint network in conjunction with an operator like Comcast. It will increase overall revenues without having to worry about feeding more mouths. The two conferences could also have more interconference game agreement in Football and Basketball....The one thing that has to be worked out for the Pac 10 is a championship game. This actually is a great move for the PAC 10.
If anybody jumps ship from the Big XII to the Big Televen, that has to be worked out for the Big XII, too... This works if it holds the Big XII together, because then the Pac-10 can expand with Utah and UNM/UNLV/Boise/BYU/Hawaii/whoever and get their championship game. If both leagues need to add schools to get a championship game, the pickings are going to be a bit slim and you might find the leagues fighting over a target or two...
With all this expansion talk I feel that I have to add my opinion. I am all for the move to the Pac 10. I think it should only go to 12 teams. 14 on the outside. With twelve we could create 3 four team divisions. Southwest would be CU, Utah, ASU and UA. Pacific would be the Cali schools and a northwest would be the Washington and Oregon schools. You would play your 3 division games and a rotating mix of 3 of the other divisions. This would allow every team access to the different regions.
Now the hard part would be to determine who plays in the conference championship. Obviously the best records would go but as you know there would likely be matching records. Secondary, we can go with head to head outcomes if possible. Division records may also be a tie breaker. Strength of schedule can also play a role.
I do not know. I am just seeing if something sticks to the wall.
I think this Pac 10 commissioner is dreaming. Has he seen the OCC schedules of the vast majority of Big 12 teams? Texas schedules Louisiana Tech and El Paso. Nebraska schedules Maine and South Dakota State. They have no interest in lining up Oregon or other Pac 10 teams on a regular basis.
That being said though, it looks to me that CU to the Pac 10 is dead. Seems like that conference is not interested in stealing schools or breaking up another conference. One Pac 10 AD said that Utah and Denver don't bring enough eyeballs to the conference. I thought the Denver media market was a hot property. Guess not.
The problem is that the SLC market isn't substantial enough to make it a "slam dunk" due to added travel costs for all sports.
Denver and CU certainly are, but there is no "perfect pair" to match us with. If CSU had a 50,000 seat stadium that they regularly came close to filling (heck even 40,000), and added about $300 million to their endowment, then the Pac would love to take the Colorado pair I am sure, even with CSU's current academic/research rankings (which is near enough to the other "state" schools in the Pac-10).
Splitting the Colorado front range market with higher ratings would be more added value than the SLC market due to the ability for non-revenue teams to have travel pairs on road trips to the state.
Frankly this is laughable, as is most of the speculation going on in the other dozen threads going on with this subject. Remember the sure thing of Hawk being gone last year? Granted, I am as guilty as everybody else in wanting to know what is going to happen. But we have gone from this is a done deal to this is dead in the water with ZERO facts released from the powers that be. Newsflash: the conferences don't all really know what is going to happen yet either, that is why they are researching it. I will give my own 2 cents on what I see:
The Big 10(11) is looking very hard at expanding what is already the best revenue generating conference in the country. Most of the the other power conferences are watching this with interest. The Pac 10 specifically because of they are in the position to negotiate a new television deal and want to maximize their own revenue stream.
Personally I think the Pac 10 deal is far from dead. First they want a conference championship game, because this is a massive revenue and national interest generator that has worked amazingly well for the SEC/Big 12. Unless the NCAA changes their tune, the Pac 10 needs two more teams. Second, the golden rule...those with the money make the rules. If the Big 10(11) expands, especially to 14 or more teams, they will be the biggest kid on the block, and the landscape of college football will be more likely driven by their interests. The Pac 10, along with the other power conferences, don't want to be the little brother. The Pac 10 specifically has always been considered a sister conference to the Big 10 with the Rose Bowl tie in, and I can guarantee they don't want to become the little sister conference. They may not generate necessarily more revenue per team by expanding, but they will generate more revenue overall.
If the Big 10(11) expands, especially to 14 or more, my gut tells me that there is a better than 90% chance the Pac 10 expands as well. UT will be the first on their speed dial, but CU will be second. So I guess what I am saying is we don't really know any more about what is going to happen then we did 2 months ago, and frankly a lot of what might happen will be driven by what the Big 10(11) does first, which is also in the pure speculation phase. We will know soon enough.
Good news is that this speculation sure has been a nice space filler so far for this offseason.
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