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PAC-16 idea...

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by NashBuff, Sep 5, 2011.

  1. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    It seems to me that there is a lot of debate about the West-East split of the P16. I don't recall seeing a proposal where there were four divisions instead of just two like the NFL has. That means we could have a four team play off to determine the P16 champ. This would mean the pod scheduling idea would be applied and everyone outside of the California schools would have one SoCal trip every two years.
     
  2. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    The pod idea needs to happen. Even if the NCAA doesn't allow a playoff, just take the two teams with the best conference record or something like that and set it up like this:

    North Pacific:
    Washington
    Washington State
    Oregon
    Oregon State

    South Pacific:
    USC
    UCLA
    Stanford
    California

    East:
    Colorado
    Arizona
    Arizona State
    Utah

    Southeast:
    Texas
    Oklahoma
    Oklahoma State
    Texas Tech/Kansas/Missouri

    No team gets left out of California and we don't have as many road games to the old Big 12 South. There is a rumor that Texas Tech may be left out for Kansas FWIW.
     
  3. Tractor

    Tractor Club Member Club Member

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    Something must be wrong with me, because I agree with everything Creatini said.


    Getting Kansas (or anyone for that matter) instead of Texas Tech would make this a HUGE WIN in my book
     
  4. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    There is NOTHING good about ANY Pac 16 idea. Nobody has yet to give one good reason for the Pac 12 to expand.
     
  5. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    sacky, the only reason I understand the rationale is if the power brokers know that 16-team superconference having their own football association and a national championship football playoff is going to happen.

    If that is known with relative certainty, then the Pac-12 must move proactively to ensure that we're not boxed in geographically. We can't be in a situation where Hawaii/New Mexico/UNLV/Boise State is our best option for required expansion.
     
  6. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    Why do we need 16 teams in order to make that happen? I don't care if the SEC, ACC, big? have 16 teams. That's not my concern. I think the Pac 12 is perfect with 12 teams. We make plenty of money and we're the only major conference in both the Mountain and Pacific Time zones. Why expand?
     
  7. Tempe_Buff

    Tempe_Buff Well-Known Member

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    I was actually thinking about this last night. I wondered if anyone else thought 4 groups of 4 would work.

    Play 2 teams in every other division and all 3 of your division opponents every year (that's 9) plus 3 OOC.

    The only problem your right is what 2 teams get to play for the championship.

    I see this as a worst case scenario. Hopefully we stay at 12 and if not we just go to 14 (OU and Okie lite)
     
  8. Tadploe

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    Sackman is right on!
     
  9. DesertDawg526

    DesertDawg526 Resident Dawg Club Member

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    fify:thumbsup:
     
  10. DesertDawg526

    DesertDawg526 Resident Dawg Club Member

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    this
     
  11. beatmu

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    Current NCAA rules require that conferences have two divisions and each division must have round-robin play in order to have CCG. Sorry to be the messenger on that one, but we've bandied this idea about many times on phog.net in terms of potential conference alignments
     
  12. Tractor

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    Larry Scott can change NCAA rules to his liking.
    Also, Larry Scott can speak Braille
    :thumbsup:
     
  13. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I'm not worried about the current NCAA rules. If the SEC, Pac-16 and Big 10 (16) decide they want different rules then there will be different rules.
     
  14. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    I'd much prefer if we didn't get MU and it sounds like they want to go to the B1G. Not sure who we'd take though.
     
  15. HotRack

    HotRack Rez BubbleHead Club Member

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    You guys really need to use the search feature...this was discussed AD NAUSEUM when the Pac-16 idea was almost a reality last year. Been there done that, don't think you're coming up with some new and radical idea. And yes, I'm too lazy to find it, plus the search fuction doesn't work for **** on my computer for some reason. Most unfriendliest thing ever....mods?

    Get off it, Jayhawk. While I would love nothing more than for you guys and Mizzery to come over to the Pac (if 16 has to happen) instead of UTerus and the dumbshits to the west, don't come over and be sanctimonious asshole on our board like you're the ****ing know-it-all on the NCAA rules. I again refer to my comments to our younger generation above. We discussed this last year as KU was being left to suck high tit what the Pac-16 would look like in a pod system and what it would take to change the NCAA rules on the CCG.

    That said, if this Pac-16 **** has to happen, would much rather our old Big 8 brethen be a part of it than ANY SWC remnants come in.
     
  16. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    I never said I claimed that idea. Nik posted that format a while ago, I was just re-posting it in this thread first.
     
  17. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I think you took that the wrong way, navy. beatmu is good peeps. I've been discussing this stuff with him for months on another board and invited him over here. Try to play nice. :smile2:
     
  18. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    :lol: i wonder what % of new posters are immediately scared off?
     
  19. HotRack

    HotRack Rez BubbleHead Club Member

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    Maybe so, but in every post I've read from him, it came across as an "I'm better than you" type (reference the "I was wondering when you would wake up introductory post) while we've been at the big boys table for this entire conference alignment stuff, while KU has been left out to dry - so I take offense to someone coming over here acting like we don't know what we're talking about.

    Like I said, I'd much rather have the Hawks, Tiggers, Boomer and (ack!) Pokes (almost rather have ISU) in lieu of ANY Texas schools.

    I'll play for awhile, but anymore "CU doesn't know jack" tones come from him and the gloves are off. I dealt with this for 2 years in Austin as the Alumni Chapter President and I'm sick of it - hate seeing it at "home base" if you know what I mean.
     
  20. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I know what you mean. But I thought it was just our hoops fans that have short fuse with KU fans. :lol:
     
  21. Darian3Hagan

    Darian3Hagan '89 Player of the Year Club Member

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    Not enough.
     
  22. HotRack

    HotRack Rez BubbleHead Club Member

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    You have no idea - after the debacle in Lawrence last year, not only did I have to suffer Whorn fans (forget that they lost to BAYLOR on their home field) but the damn Hawk fans came out of the woodwork down there too. Lotsa Hawks in Austin if you know what I mean.
     
  23. ScottyBuff

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    How about a "game-changer" proposal if we go to a 16 team conference?

    Two Divisions of 8 teams. East/West alignment (original Pac-8 in one division, "newbies" in the other).

    Round-robin games against your division = 7 games each.
    One game each season against one of the two "pairs" in the other division, alternate home-and-home for 2 years then face the other half of the "pair" in a home-and-home for 2 years.

    Example (Using Kansas-Missouri as 15th/16th teams):
    SampleYear 1Year 2Year 3Year 4
    Week 1CSU@ CSUCSU@ CSU
    Week 2@ UCLAUCLA@ USCUSC
    Week 3Stanford@ StanfordCal-Berkeley@ Cal-Berkeley
    Week 4@ Oregon StateOregon State@ Oregon StateOregon State
    Week 5Washington@ WashingtonWashington State@ Washington State
    Week 6@ Oklahoma StateOklahoma State@ Oklahoma StateOklahoma State
    Week 7@ MissouriMissouri@ MissouriMissouri
    Week 8Oklahoma@ OklahomaOklahoma@ Oklahoma
    Week 9@ Arizona StateArizona State@ Arizona StateArizona State
    Week 10Kansas@ KansasKansas@ Kansas
    Week 11Arizona@ ArizonaArizona@ Arizona
    Week 12@ UtahUtah@ UtahUtah

    That would make for 11 conference games of course, but think about what that would do for the TV package. Currently a 12 team conference with 9 game schedules means that there are 54 conference games to broadcast, throw in 18 out-of-conference home games that Pac-12 members have a right to broadcast and you get a total of 72 marketable games.

    A 16 team conference, playing 11 conference games would mean an increase to 88 in-conference games to broadcast, in addition to 8 or more OOC home games for a total of 96 marketable games.

    But the current OOC setup means that there are payouts going outside the conference in order to entice them to travle to Pac-12 stadiums. These fees are somewhere in the neighborhood of between $350k and up towards a $1 million pricetag. Saving the cost of these body-bag games will certainly help the ADs at each school to balance the budget.

    Why not just have the Pac members play only each other, aside from one OOC game a year designed to play another rival. This would drive up the TV rights even moreso and add to the conference cohesion and recruiting benefits for all members. Competitively it would be better to play each other than risk losing to WAC and MWC schools.
     
  24. Quattro

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    1 OOC game? Pass.
     
  25. buffs

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    Unfortunately sackman there may be no good reason for us/fans, but no rational college AD passes on the potential money of a PAC 16, which may be worth $40M per school. And buffnik covers the reasons for the power brokers/conference commissioners (esp. the death of the NCAA).
     
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  26. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    ugh. but how much MORE $ are we gonna get for expanding to 16? The % change has to be going down (as in, pac12 teams got a huge boost because they went from 10 to 12)... Is another 10% in revenue worth losing our grip on cali and also losing our spot as the #1 pac12 team in texas?
     
  27. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    It might be more than 10%. Probably is.

    It's an increase of over 15% in conference games.
    It's an addition of a central zone time slot for games (1/3 increase in ESPN/FOX broadcasts + Pac-12 Network with 3 slots instead of 2... also doubles for basketball).
    It's an addition of the #1 all-time football program (with Oklahoma) to deliver more national interest in carrying the conference network on basic cable tiers (with or without UT, we'd be in Texas).
    It should be an addition of regional stations of the Pac Network that are worth more than the smaller piece of the pie costs (assuming UT).
    It could be an addition of a semi-final round of 2 games in the Pac football championship (depending on setup and NCAA rules).
     

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