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Pac Twelve Scheduling

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Buffnik, Feb 27, 2010.

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Pac 12 Conference games?

  1. Play 8, just like everyone else

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  2. Play 9, be different and better

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  3. I like cheese

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  1. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Assuming the Pacific Athletic Conference expands to 12 teams and CU is one of the additions, do you want the conference to continue playing 9 in-conference football games every season? Other conferences (whether 10, 11 or 12 teams) only play an 8 game conference schedule.

    With a 12-team conference and 8-game in-conference slate, you get the 5 division teams every season plus the teams in the other division 1/2 or 2/4 years (depending on how it's organized). With this, you'd get a home-and-home with everyone in the other division on a 4-year schedule.

    By going to a 9th game, you'd play 4 of the 6 other division teams every year. With this, you'd get a home-and-home with everyone in the other division on a 3-year schedule.

    Pros: Truer conference champion. Stronger rivalries with non-division teams.

    Cons: Unbalanced conference schedule (4 home / 5 away or vice versa). More difficult to make bowl game with removal of patsy.

    Edit: A Pac 12 Network and the conference tv contracts would likely be a lot stronger with 9 in-conference games. So that's another Pro.

    What do you guys think?
     
  2. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    I like cheese.

    I also think 9 conference games would give you a more representative league champion. It would also give you an even number of teams not played each year, which would make scheduling somewhat easier.

    And if other conferences expand beyond 12, they are almost going to have to go to 9 conference games. I think it could easily become the new standard, honestly...
     
  3. SuperD

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    The unbalanced home game thing will probably prevent it if I'm reading your proposal correctly and you wouldn't always have the same number of home games. Teams need those home games from a revenue perspective from both ticket sales and contractual agreements with sponsors. That was one of the issues with doing the CSU game at Mile High because sponsors were supposed to have a guarantee of X number of home games for their money.
     
  4. DesertDawg526

    DesertDawg526 Resident Dawg Club Member

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    Playing 9 conference games hampers the ability of the conference to send two teams BCS bowling.

    Quite frankly, nobody talks about how Florida doesn't leave the state for OOC games, or talks about Alabama scheduling patsies while those two are in the national championship hunt.

    If 9 games becomes the standard so be it. If you're the only conference doing it, it just makes it harder for two conference teams to get high $$$$ bowls.

    Unless all other conferences do it, keep it at eight IMO...
     
  5. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    This.

    But 1 or 2 of those OOC games for Florida is FSU and usually either Miami or USF. As for Bama, one of their OOC games this past year was that patsy Virginia Tech.
     
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  6. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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  7. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    That's going to be a tough one for CU. The current PAC teams deal with it already. We'd be left with only 2 home dates if there are 9 in-conference games (since our 10th game is CSU in Denver). That leaves us with 2 open dates every year. We'd have to figure out how to have 1 home game in the years when the PAC schedule favors us and both 2 as home games in the years when the PAC schedule doesn't favor us. Not an easy task. I believe the only way it works is if we are willing to play a 1-AA team (or 1-A patsy) every year that will come to Boulder for a sacrificial payday.
     
  8. Daaah

    Daaah Club Member Club Member

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    Gruyere + Emmenthaler + Black Pepper + White Wine + Garlic + Flour. Melt. Dip toasted french bread.
     
  9. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    incorrect.

    No pepper, Corn Starch not flour, and you forgot Kirsch.
     
  10. Timbuff10

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    I just want to be in the division with USC/UCLA/Stanford/Cal or at least one from Socal and one from Norcal. If we get stuck with being in the same division with Utah and the Oregon/Washingtons, then it is only slightly better than what we have now.
     
  11. DesertDawg526

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    That's fine, but at least each school can choose their OOC schedule. Rivalry games in this manner can continue even if teams are no longer in the same conference if desired. I like playing one tough OOC, one "B" lister and one or two patsies, myself...

    I guess my point is that conference games are the toughest. Even when your team is dominating, a lowly conference foe may knock you out because they are so familiar with you. Look who has beaten USC the past couple of years, this year notwithstanding...

    If playing 9 games, or even better, everyone in your conference is more realistic in creating a true champion (which I do think it is), then why is the Pac currently slammed for not having a CG? Even when it's the only conference where determining the winner is based off playing all conference foes?

    Again, unless all conferences are playing 9 conference games, it will hurt your conference in the post-season. Whether one likes that or not is debatable, but I don't think there's any question that the Pac playing a 9th conference game currently without a CG is hurting the conference tremendously. The new reality of college football is to pad your OOC schedule with wins, win a conference CG, then cruise to the MNC game unless two other conferences have teams with the same record...
     
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    That's joy of cooking's recipe and it's not as good as mine.
     
  13. BuffsRising

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    Just because you have a conference title game doesn't automatically mean dividing the conference into divisions. You could have the two top teams in the unified conference standings play each other in the title game.

    Then, if you keep 9 conference games, you have one team you play each other every year, and play the other 10 teams 8 years out of ten. That way, everybody gets to play in socal for recruiting, you don't have to worry about a weak division/strong division making a joke of the title game, the revenue would be less likely to get wildly lopsided, etc.
     
  14. DesertDawg526

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    I do not think any Pac expansion will result in a north south conference alignment.

    It would IMO be a detriment to the Pac, much the way the current Big XII alignment is.

    I see a East-West or random split instead. For it to really work, all teams must play in L.A. every single year. Love it or hate it, it simply has to happen for the conference to truly thrive...
     
  15. White_Rabbit

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    9 games so teams in the conference don't have as many chances to schedule Northsoutheast Idaho Tech in preparation for the season. More good games is good for college football.
     
  16. Mick Ronson

    Mick Ronson Well-Known Member

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    i like a conference where everyone plays everyone every year. no divisional BS. in Mick's brave new post BCS playoff world, conferences are limited to 8 teams. that and being annointed Megan Fox's official 3 way with a girl coach are gonna happen. that and when beer is like viagra and slimming.

    if the NCAA basketball tournament goes to 98 teams or whatever is being talked about, i might quit watching sports altogether.
     
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  17. DesertDawg526

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    In theory I like playing all divisional foes. I do not see how the financing supports this though. The bargaining power for TV contracts requires strength in numbers, TV markets and potential households reached. I don't see how 8 team conferences could get the same money per school as say a 12, 14 or 16 member conference.

    The SEC has shown the rest of the country how to work TV deals, and as a result they have had a financial windfall. Conferences that don't follow their lead will financially perish or become perennial non-BCS type of schools.
     
  18. Darian3Hagan

    Darian3Hagan '89 Player of the Year Club Member

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    Back in my day we had 32 NCAA Tournament teams and we liked it! Our college football was played without helmets and everybody played each other. If there was a forward pass in the game we demanded our nickel back!

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  19. DesertDawg526

    DesertDawg526 Resident Dawg Club Member

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    :lol:

    Very nice!
     
  20. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    This is really the best way to do things if you're going to have a CCG. They should really do away with the CCG's because that's no more a way to determine a conference champion than a conference tournament is for basketball, but unfortunately the CCG is here to stay.
     
  21. Buffsfan09

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    who cares, we are staying in the Big Relevance...I mean Big 12.
     
  22. CarolinaBuff

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    I hope so. :thumbsup:
     

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