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Phil Steele and the Pac 12 South

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  1. Gary Indiana

    Gary Indiana Club Member Club Member

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    SIAP. Phil Steele released his preseason rankings and he has the Buffs at 46th in the nation. A huge jump from last year when we were ranked 80th. That is quite a leap and a great indication of the progress we have made. Unfortunately the Pac 12 South is so stacked that even though he has us as a top 50 team, he predicted that we finish sub .500. So we can move up the rankings almost 40 spots and still only win 6 games. Brutal.
     
  2. BuffHerd

    BuffHerd Club Member Club Member

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    P12 South is loaded.....
     
  3. Shldr2Shldr

    Shldr2Shldr Club Member Club Member

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    At 46th in the nation, and not even .500, then what are the records of everyone else? There are 35 bowl games, so 70 slots. If we are #46 we should be bowling.
     
  4. Gary Indiana

    Gary Indiana Club Member Club Member

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    The problem is that he has 7 of our opponents ranked ahead of us, leaving us only winning 6. That is the gauntlet of the Pac 12 right now. He is ranking us ahead of teams that will go bowling due to the fact that our record will not indicate just how good the Buffs really are. Take Marshall, Duke, and Pitt who are ranked just ahead of us for example, they will not be playing 7 teams this year that are ranked above them, so they will have much better records than us but Steele sees us as being on par with those teams.
     
  5. Bufffan68

    Bufffan68 Club Member Club Member

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    How much leeway does RG give Mac for trying to rebuild in the toughest division in all CFB? Does that even enter into his decision?...assuming a keep him/drop him decision becomes necessary.
     
  6. Shldr2Shldr

    Shldr2Shldr Club Member Club Member

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    No more excuses. Start competing and winning or we need to move on. The pac-12 is a tough conference. Better get used to it.
     
  7. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    I think some. As long as progress is being made, however slow, then RG will give MM some extra time.
     
  8. Buff_since76

    Buff_since76 Still a fan... Club Member

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    In honor of the Federal Reserve meeting that's taking place, the answer is "Data Dependent".

    If you win all OOC, and are extremely competitive 1-8 in conference, then yes a little patients and continue to build. Anything less patients runs thin.
     
  9. Shldr2Shldr

    Shldr2Shldr Club Member Club Member

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    As long as HCMM shows progression he will stay. I don't think the excuse that conference is too tough will let him off the hook though should he go winless in Pac12 play again.
     
  10. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    So long as we can see progress, MM is safe. I think RG knows how deep the hole was that MM was tasked to dig us out of.

    You can win a lot of games with guys in recruiting classes ranked in the 50's if you keep them in the program and don't rely on them to contribute until they've been here at least two years. We're getting there.
     
  11. TDbuff

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    I think Phil has an affinity for CU left over from the glory years, he tends to rate us higher than others. Always seems to bring us up in interviews as well, as a team that might surprise this year.
     
  12. EddieCrowder

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    The P12 South is Murder's Row, Mike Mac should get more time, next year is the put up or shut up. Phil also had the Buffs at 10 on the Most Improved list. I also keep coming back to Mel Kiper last spring calling the Buff's 3rd most improved for this season. I am a complete glass 1/2 full guy and truly believe we go 4-0 NC and win 3 times in conference for 7 and a Bowl
     
  13. Shldr2Shldr

    Shldr2Shldr Club Member Club Member

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    Think the only way HCMM leaves this season is if he doesn't win a game in conference play. Obviously home losses to UMass and Nicholls State could change that equation a bit, but Pac-12 Play is the key I think.
     
  14. Gary Indiana

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  16. 89BUFF89

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    We need to beat everyone ranked lower than us for 6 wins then pull the upset of AZ at home I guess.
     
  17. MiamiBuffs

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    Ill reserve judgment until Ive seen some games played. In my mind this is the first decent coach in well over a decade. Im not inclined to take the risk of chaining coaches again unless he and team have clearly taken a step backwards. If they win 6, bowl or no bowl, Ill be pretty happy.
     
  18. J.R. Ewing

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    If we win 6 it will mean we beat all the teams we should have and 2 teams that we shouldn't have.
     
  19. Shldr2Shldr

    Shldr2Shldr Club Member Club Member

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    For people without the subscription, below us according to phil steele

    65 WSU
    84 OSU
    85 CSU
    95 UMass
    100 Hawaii
    NR Nicholls St

    Best shot at pulling off 7 would then be AZ at home or Utah on the road. Really thinking about making the trip to SLC this year, and if there is a bowl game on the line it would make the trip that much better.
     
  20. J.R. Ewing

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    I like that we play Utah at the end of the year. They have a berserk front 7 but they're really thin at some spots like CB, RB, and WR. If they have some injuries stack up there, they could be pretty beatable.
     
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    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Utah has been beatable every year we've played them, I don't see 2015 being any different. Utah also has a lot of turmoil in their AD and have switched coordinators like I change my underwear.

    I wouldn't be too surprised if we are favored over Oregon State, or if it's a pick em game. Relative to everyone else in CFB, they have nothing returning.

    Edit: Read the line long from last year. Home field advantage is still worth roughly 3.5 points. (CBF HFA, BTN)
     
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  22. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    I actually think we have a better chance of beating Stanford or USC at home than we do Arizona. USC is the most arrogant college football team in America. That arrogance bites them in the ass at least once a year. I'm thinking that we have a shot, in the cold at night in mid November.
     
  23. Big Jim

    Big Jim WTF? Club Member

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    Once a year?
     
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    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    This is my favorite exchange on allbuffs in 2015.
     
  26. letsgoavs192

    letsgoavs192 Well-Known Member

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    We can def beat Utah. And if we really do make as much of an improvement as some think we will we are capable of winning a game or two that doesn't look winnable right now.
     
  27. GoonieBuff

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    Records and power rankings are two very different things. I'm assuming that's how a top 50 team could finish sub .500.
     
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    Too bad that [MENTION=807]Skidmark[/MENTION] is already taken.
     
  29. 89BUFF89

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    Not saying it can't happen but USC has absolutely owned us, we've never beaten them.
     
  30. sackman

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    We're due.
     

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