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Phil Steele's national mag is out

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by RalphieMalph, Jun 10, 2008.

  1. RalphieMalph

    RalphieMalph Well-Known Member

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    Just thumbed through it at barnes and noble, but I won't buy any of his stuff until the regional magazines come out.

    Steele's certainly not very taken with the 2008 Buffs though, I can tell you that for certain. He didn't have CU ranked anywhere in his preseason top 40, and his forecast said that the Buffs would be underdogs in 7 of their 12 games (I can easily see 5, 6 is rational enough, but I don't see 7 games on our schedule that scream "underdog" to me) and that we might make it to a bowl game if we can pull a couple of upsets. :huh:

    On the plus side, he said that CSU would struggle to match their win total from last season (3), so at least he's not 100% off base :lol::thumbsup:
     
  2. jrod212

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    i count only 5 games we are under dogs in. he obviously forgot we got d scott.
     
  3. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    If we're talking just a straight point spread, I see it coming out like this:

    CSU - Buffs favored
    Eastern Washington - Buffs favored
    West Virginia - WVU favored
    at Florida State - FSU favored

    Texas - UT favored
    at Kansas - KU favored
    KSU - Buffs favored
    at Missouri - MU favored
    at Texas A&M - Aggies favored
    ISU - Buffs favored
    OSU - Buffs favored
    at Nebraska - Huskers favored

    I think that's 7 games where the Buffs will be underdogs and 5 games where the Buffs will be favorites.
     
  4. 77buff

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    In his prediction for 2008 for CU, he did mention that if Scott lives up to his hype that CU would make a bowl. He said that Kansas is going to lose 5 games. I think he's probably right on both.
     
  5. Sexton Hardcastle

    Sexton Hardcastle Club Member Club Member

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    We're going to kill KU. Losing that game pissed me off more than losing to ISU. Beating KU would've been huge for Hawk. Huge. But that's what you get when dealing with a team that has this many underclassman starting.
     
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  6. RalphieMalph

    RalphieMalph Well-Known Member

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    Where are you getting TAMU and Nebraska from? Two first year head coaches at the helms of programs that have been steadily (and occasionally dramatically) declining over the past 5 years being favored over a 3rd year head coach running a program that reached a bowl game last year while starting freshmen at almost every offensive position. To me at least, that makes absolutely no sense.

    And Kansas won't be favored over CU by the time they meet. There, I said it. :smile2:
     
  7. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    we are at both of those schools and and they are the two of the hardest stadiums to play at in the country. Also even though they are both first year coaches they arent installing drastically new systems so the changes shouldn't be too tough to swallow. The nubs could actually be pretty good, 9-3 with thier schedule isnt out of reach.
     
  8. Buttermaker

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    :yeahthat:
     
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  9. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    I think your homerism is showing. All three of those games are road games and Hawk hasn't fared particularly well on the road. In fact, I believe he's only won twice on the road since he got here - Tech and Baylor last year. That's hardly a resounding endorsement of CU's road abilities. Based on that alone, CU probably will be underdogs in all three of those games. I happen to think we'll beat both A&M (We always seem to) and *ebraska (they really do suck). But from a completely unbiased perspective, it's not hard to see why we'd be considered underdogs in those games.
     
  10. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Exactly. We had a decent season last year, but we still had a losing record. Until we prove we can be more consistent (especially on the road), we won't be getting much respect.
     
  11. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    All three of those games are ROAD GAMES.

    Vegas automatically assigns 3 points to every HOME team in football. So if a team is favored by 7 points at home, Vegas is saying that they think it would be a 4 point game on a neutral site. If a team is a home UNDERDOG, then Vegas is saying they think that team would lose even bigger if the game was played on a neutral field.

    Certain teams get more points for home games. Texas, OU, Nebraska, and Texas A&M are all schools in the Big 12 that are going to get more points at home.

    For example, last year's CU/FSU game, played in Boulder, CU was a +4 underdog. That was Vegas' way of saying, if the game had been played on a neutral field, FSU would have won by 7. I suspect if the game had been played in Tallahassee, FSU would have been an even bigger favorite.

    I am pretty sure that Phil Steele tracks historic trends re: betting odds so you might pick up one of his books to see how the Vegas lines have followed the Buffs over the last few years.
     
  12. 96 Buff

    96 Buff Resident Commie Bastard Club Member Junta Member

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    We play like dog**** in Lawrence and Columbia. No way I'm ever counting those two as a W until the final gun sounds and we have the lead.
     
  13. Scotch

    Scotch Registered User Club Member Junta Member

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    :nod:
     
  14. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    It's football, and with the team still being very young, I expect us to win a game we really have no business winning, and to lose a game that will drive us all insane. I just hope to god its not CSU.
     
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    It's liable to be Oklahoma State. Those dorks always manage to play us tough in Boulder. They're the KSU of the South. Totaly schitzophrenic.
     
  16. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    I could handle that, but we would have to beat Texas:)
     
  17. Junction

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    KU would probably be favored right now. But if next season unfolds as some are predicting, I'm not sure that will be true. Same for UNL...
     
  18. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    Isn't his national magazine detailed enough for you?? I get the impression from reading his description of his regional magazines is that they're not available in newsstands and the only way to get them is to order them.
     
  19. iggy

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    we need bruisers at safety outside of Walters. And more speed at line backer. 3-4 is great.

    The Dallas Cowboys run it. It's also better for the spread since you have more coverage minded players in linebackers instead of a DT. To punish the spread, one needs to have bruisers at safety.

    You don't need to have flighty ball hawking safeties, you need safeties that make you regret catching lob passes, and having CB's 6'0-6'2 would help, since the spread likes to pit individual matchups alot and 6'4 WR are a nightmare for the Chappelle Browns of the world.

    Just look at the Huff and Griffin manned secondary of the 70-3 longhorns in 05, that secondary was brutal, and those guys made you pay.

    Look at Oklahoma's manhandling of Missouri.

    the spread can be handled, you need the right players to do it. speed linebackers is more crucial than speed on the corners.

    with the 3-4 your blitz packages will be harder to read by the opposing team. The center will have an enormous responsibilty in figuring out who the blitzers are.
     
  20. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Welcome to Allbuffs. Rep delivered. :thumbsup:Glad you found the party. Have a beer!
     
  21. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    And get us one while you're up.


    Snap to it newb. The beer ain't gonna just stroll over here all on it's own ya know.
     
  22. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    I love the 3-4, but I just don't know if we have the players for it...
     
  23. RalphieMalph

    RalphieMalph Well-Known Member

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    The regional mag gives 6 pages of coverage for each team, whereas the national only gives 2. Also, and this is a HUGE pet peeve for me with Phil Steele, he quite honestly spends 90% of his "Phil's Forecast" space on the Buffs talking about the predictions he's made about CU in the past.

    Wow, thanks for the stirring forecast, Phil! I totally have a good idea of what you're expecting from this year's team after reading that! Uggh... anyway, in the regional mag (which I bought at the newsstand last year, hopefully they haven't yoinked it from non-mail order sales) you get a bit more prognosticating, and better stats for researching Big XII opponents. Just a personal preference.
     
  24. iggy

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    WVU should be a cakewalk if we play them defensively like we did Gawga in 06.
     
  25. CarolinaBuff

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    Very true, he does spend quite a bit of time talking about a team's performance of the past few seasons. He does that for every team. That's one of the things I don't like about his magazine, that he doesn't have a quick overview of teams. Based on what you said about his regional magazines, maybe I'll order a copy of the Big XII one. :cool:
     
  26. RalphieMalph

    RalphieMalph Well-Known Member

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    Well, the regional mag isn't that much better (he still spends way too much time talking about the past in lieu of the present), but it's an improvement. On the whole, the national mag is a far better read (and an infinitely better bathroom companion), I just prefer to know a lot about a small number of teams rather than a little about a large number.
     
  27. MiamiBuffs

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    Frightening. Phil is usually spot on on his calls. He also posts his record somewhere in that mag in terms of how he did the season before. I remember it being pretty good. His magazine is all about betting and attracting the gambler as a buyer so you can't suck.

    I hope he's wrong.
     

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