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Please present an argument for Embree over EB

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by buffs04, Dec 3, 2010.

  1. buffs04

    buffs04 Well-Known Member

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    I don't see one. It was critical for Bohn to make the right hire. He didn't. Again. Anything but a big splash in this situation was totally unacceptable. Recruiting and talent are our number one concerns. The consensus about EB is that he is an absolutely dynamite recruiter and a future hot commodity in cfb. We took... the other guy? Because he interviews well? This isn't a PR job. It's a football job. Mike Bohn is a PR guy. That's his problem; he thinks that because his speciality is PR over substance, that hiring a guy who may be a little rough around the edges but the potential to be an absolutely outstanding hire for the program is unacceptable when faced with the alternative of a no-name who won't stir up any trouble.

    Bohn is targetting mediocrity. CU is going to be the laughing stock of the P12. We can fight with WSU for 11th place. Way to go. The choice was clear here. We have a limited budget and can't bring in a Nick Saban, so we had to roll the dice on a guy with the potential to bring in a ton of talent and turn this thing around. The national perception of CU that no one seems to want to acknowledge is that right now we are a JOKE program. Not bringing in a top-flight coach only perpetuates that.

    I can't fault the Hawkins hire because it looked great on the surface. This time, however, the mistake is crystal clear. EB is the perfect hire for this job. We chose someone else for reasons that are absolutely not apparent to me. Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't think so.
     
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    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    I'd hate to be you. Pretty sure if we would have hired Belichick you would have bitched about him being too old.
     
  3. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    Get real. You don't know how this will work out. We tried a big name hire the last time and it didn't work, just like we tried a big name hire before Mac and that didn't work. I like going in the family, it's something we have never really tried before (meaning former players). Jon Embree is a good recruiter too, and he has been around. It's time to get behind him or move on to a different team. He's our coach, and he will not be shooting for mediocrity. Plus, I bet we get both of them. I like the combo!
     
  4. buffs04

    buffs04 Well-Known Member

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    Care to make an actual argument, or does that lie outside of your skillset?
     
  5. Fight CU

    Fight CU Club Member Club Member

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    :popcorn:
     
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    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    The actual argument is you and I don't know **** about this or what Jon Embree really brings to the table. Mac has always had big praises for Embree and Mac was a master at finding good coaches. Look at his coaching tree.
     
  8. BuffaloT

    BuffaloT Active Member

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    I can't wait to bring this post back up in a couple years. You are going to be proven so wrong.
     
  9. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    I am NOT going over this again. Here is part of it: of the 15 buffs currently in the NFL, Embo recruited 5 of them. He left in 2002. FACT!

    Edit: Corrected for grammar.
     
  10. wsp4820

    wsp4820 Sally Club Member Junta Member

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    Would you care to make an actual argument other than EB is the best "because he's a dynamite recruiter and future hot commodity." Seriously.

    EDIT:

    Some other facts that would be nice:

    1. How would EB have been a "big splash" hire in the grand scheme of things?
    2. How would EB have been a better "football" as opposed to "PR" hire?
    3. What made EB the "perfect" hire?
     
  11. sliderNcider

    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    Come on SB he said please
     
  12. chipwich

    chipwich Administrator Club Member Junta Member

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    Did you sit in on the interviews ?
     
  13. FrankRizzo

    FrankRizzo Active Member

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    He has more experience coaching (especially at CU) and is more diplomatic.
     
  14. NW Buff

    NW Buff Club Member Club Member

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    You realize you didn't make an actual argument for EB, right? You put a lot of hearsay and hopes in a post and called it an argument.
     
  15. sliderNcider

    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    No with buffs04 as AD Bellotti, Richt, and Miles would be begging to be AC's at CU
     
  16. HotRack

    HotRack Rez BubbleHead Club Member

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    Well, one positive - just heard Ringo say on Kreckman's show that McElwain lost a lot of points when at one point someone involved in the interview process said they had closed their eyes and McElwain sounded just like Hawk.
     
  17. GregInArlington

    GregInArlington Well-Known Member

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    Come on guys, let's not forget that Jon Embreehas great teeth, while EB has the best teeth. How will Embree overcome this?
     
  18. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    :dead-horse-fast2:

    Why? Embree is the choice. Time to move on and support the guy.
     
  19. bombay

    bombay Club Member Club Member

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    Without knowing either guy personally, I wonder if Bohn doesn't feel that Jon Embreewill handle the media/booster/public relations part of the job more smoothly.
     
  20. Rraalph 3000

    Rraalph 3000 Well-Known Member

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    Zactamundo....everyone's sure fire reasons why EB is better than Ebree are simply pure speculation/opinions.....Fact of the matter is both guys have outstanding connections and recommendations from across the football community, both have a solid proven recruiting record, both are CU alumns and passionate about the University and its success, both played in the NFL, both have solid ties to California & Colorado, both have solid coaching experience (albeit Embo probably with a little bit more)

    So where in all of this does EB just stand miles apart from Embo???
     
  21. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    Here's one - former players who actually know both guys have said that Embree is a great choice, and that while EB might be a better recruiter, Embree is a better coach.

    I know guys who actually know the guys and played can't possibly know as much as you, but I'm willing to listen to what they have to say...
     
  22. CUFan

    CUFan Welcome back Club Member

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    Scary. I'm glad he was shown the door.

    It's bad luck just hearing about a thing like that.

    [video=youtube;lJ0Sazr9Yh4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ0Sazr9Yh4[/video]
     
  23. Fight CU

    Fight CU Club Member Club Member

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    Yes/ Embree has Cedar Teeth
     
  24. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    this is an opinion out there for sure.

    Another one I've heard is he's far more organized than EB, a better coach then EB, he's smarter than EB, he's more level headed than EB.

    Some sentiment seems to be smaller splash, better long term hire.
     
  25. PhillyBuff

    PhillyBuff Club Member Club Member

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    what is with all of the editing? why cant you **** ers be smart the FIRST time you post....
     
  26. ThndringHerd

    ThndringHerd Well-Known Member

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    You're right. The Buffs will now now be competitive for the PAC championship in Arms Negotiations. Iran will be scared ****less. Jimmy Carter for WBB coach. Yay.
     
  27. DBT

    DBT Club Member Club Member

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    I think its pretty apparent from what I've read in the papers. Hiring a minority HC to coach the football program in Boulder is a big ****ing deal. Its an important step for CU. They can't get it wrong. CU-Boulder is lilly white. They needed a guy who could bridge that gap. They needed a guy who can communicate at every level. They needed a guy who can, one, recruit a star kid from Compton and, two, meet with and impress the big time white boosters. The more I think about it, the more of a no brainer it is. I think they also are hoping to bring in JE and EB as a team and their best chance was with JE as HC.
     
  28. PhillyBuff

    PhillyBuff Club Member Club Member

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    there is a politics board for this ****....
     
  29. buffsblg

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    Well buffs04, considering that your post does not contain anything approaching an "argument" but instead is a rant filled with unsupported personal attacks, I am not sure that any logical response is needed or would be welcomed. When you make this about your personal dislike of someone, why should anyone else waste their time responding?

    That said, demeanor and personality matter and by all accounts Embree has a professional and calm demeanor coupled with coaching success and respect both with prior players and with the coaches he has worked with. Mike Shanahan said yesterday Embree would be a great choice. Now while that may not be the be all and end all, I am positive Shanny knows more about Embree and coaching than anyone ranting on this board. EB has some baggage from his personality that may be more suited for some seasoning before being head coach. His name calling of Marcus Houston for example indicates to me someone who could grow up a bit. I personally could not care less about the national "splash" you think is so vital nor do I think hiring EB makes that "splash". Too many people on here worry too much about what ESPN says. Embree knows Boulder, he knows football, he can recruit and he can coach.
     
  30. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    spot on!! Rep!
     

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