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Poll: Winning VS Academics

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by BuffFan, Dec 1, 2009.

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What is most important in a CU team:

Poll closed Dec 31, 2009.
  1. Keeping their noses clean and good academics are what is most important, winning is secondary.

    2.3%
  2. Character, Academics and Winning are all equally important, not always making a Bowl game is fine.

    11.5%
  3. Winning is the priority, good Character and academics should be a goal. Bowl eligible is a must.

    44.8%
  4. Winning is most important, keep players eligible and out of trouble. Academic s is up to the Player.

    33.3%
  5. This poll ****ing sucks

    5.7%
  6. Ban MiamiBuff

    2.3%
  1. BuffFan

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    The three stooges up at CU (Benson, DiStefano, and Bohn) seem to think we as fans would rather have a person that can’t coach but gets great students to one that wins and keeps players out of trouble. I think it calls for a poll.
    The coach should look for players of Good Character but, I think winning is all important. From a team perspective the coach needs to work to keep the players out of trouble and eligible. The players have an opportunity to do great thing with a CU degree. It is up to the players to take advantage.
     
  2. DBT

    DBT Club Member Club Member

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    Nice poll. :lol:
     
  3. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I live in Boulder. I have a wife and a young son. I will never tolerate a CU football team that has things going on like the Tennessee incident (armed robbery of a convenience store by players). If that type of stuff started to happen, I'd turn off all support for the program... even if we won a National Championship.
     
  4. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    This poll seems to be missing something....like a poll.:smile2:
     
  5. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    Nor should it be tolerated, but winning football to these turds means their will be rape and pillage, and that's BS.

    Your sig says it all, and right now, the 3 mentioned above are timid and afraid.
     
  6. Daaah

    Daaah Club Member Club Member

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    nice pole douche.
     
  7. BuffFan

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    Coach Mac won without criminals, but they weren't all choir boys either
     
  8. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    Winning without criminal activity can be done. That's what I expect.
     
  9. Bienemy4life

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    I disagree with the premise that a choice has to be made between losing and getting good scholar- athletes. The admin / ad / & coaching staff have framed it in binary terms: we choose between gang bangers or winning. This argument is nonsense. Here is what I expect (non-negotiable) from a coach. Failing on *any* of these is reason enough for termination:

    a. Run a clean program.
    b. Recruit quality players / student athletes.
    c. Win more games than you lose. And do so the right way --> points a & b.
     
  10. unionbuff

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    :iagree:
     
  11. BuffFan

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    I agree with you but I think your missing the point. Dan Hawkins was retained because he is doing things right off the field.
     
  12. Bienemy4life

    Bienemy4life Member

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    Right. And, I'm saying that's not good enough.
     
  13. SBG

    SBG Formerly known as EFNMB Club Member Junta Member

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    One of the things that bothers me is that the admin doesn't help get in players that come from a low socioeconomic background that have have not had the same advantages as most of the student body (especially most of the out of staters). There are good athletes that may not have the HS grades for whatever reason (bad schools, background, apathy, etc...), but can turn it around in college. We can find those students, they just won't be admitted due to the standards the admin has set in. The academic standard at CU is good and tough, but with the right admin and AD support we can make sure these kids will graduate (tutors, study groups, etc...).

    A lot of the players on Cal wouldn't have a chance to be at Cal if not for their athletic ability, but Tedford does his best to run a clean program and make sure his kids graduate. Cal is a much tougher school than CU, but yet the admin has made a commitment to sports. You don't have to compromise academics to run a clean program, yet our administration believes it is an either-or proposition.
     
  14. Daaah

    Daaah Club Member Club Member

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    Option 5. This poll is ****ing stupid.

    "Keeping their noses clean and good academics" is the same as "keep players eligible and out of trouble."
     
  15. LincolnBuff

    LincolnBuff Active Member

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    While I want the players to get their degrees and stay out of trouble, winning is the only thing that really counts.
     
  16. BigAppleBuff

    BigAppleBuff New Member

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    What kills me about the academic standards excuse is that Texas, UCLA, Cal, Michigan all are better academic institutions than CU. I think it is a poor excuse to use. That being said. Back in the late 80's, Mac had the ability to recruit borderline students athletes with Prop 48.
     
  17. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    I voted wrong. :doh:

    I was thinking the poll was our opinion of what the administration's priority on the team is at CU, which is obviously option 1. I would've voted for the 3rd option.
     
  18. SuperiorBuff

    SuperiorBuff Well-Known Member

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    What a stupid poll. I wanted both 3 & 6.
     
  19. IDBUFF

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    We are all CU products here so here and were taught to analyze data. So here is my thought about these incidents. It is simple. A given number of college kids and the hangers on that a university attracts will have criminals. There will always be an athlete that gets into trouble. Are student athletes more, the same, or less likely than Joe or Jane College to get into trouble? If the answer is "less" then the ahtletic department is doing a good job if not then the AD has a problem.
     

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