1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Positives of a Pac-16 for CU

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by NashBuff, Aug 13, 2011.

  1. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2009
    Messages:
    3,909
    Likes Received:
    57
    It seems like there is some noise about how the Pac-16 would hurt CU in the long run. I'm not sure if that is truly accurate and this is more of a fear of the unknown. Here are some things to ponder:

    1. We would have at least one trip to Texas (assuming UT comes along) every single year for recruiting purposes and I can't see the California to Boulder pipeline ever shutting down. This gives us a wonderful chance of building a Texas to Boulder pipeline and the same goes for Arizona as well. Suppose we all asked Bill McCartney and Gary Barnett about being in that division from a recruiting perspective...don't you think they would actually love that idea?

    2. Not all the Pac-16 East division schools are football factories. Utah is enjoying some success that they haven't had for a long time but the Beehive State is known more for its basketball than football. Arizona is a basketball school while their rivals to the west is the football school of the state but they are a lot like Texas A&M: underachievers. Okie State is still a basketball school that is just doing very well in football right now just like Utah while OU will be the football factory. Texas is the football school and Texas Tech will be the basketball school of that duo. We have conquered Nebraska and OU in the same season in the past and conquering Texas & Oklahoma will be no different but on a bigger stage.

    3. We are in a much better situation when it comes to basketball with that new practice facility opening this month. I have long viewed OU and UT basketball as hurdles that CU would have difficulty overcoming but with the new facility, that will no longer be the case.

    4. We will be in the stronger division and that should help us over the long term...just look back to OSU & Texas Tech's football programs before they joined the Big 12. The support for new facilities will come at the right time just like with the new basketball facility.

    5. We will clearly be the #3 program in this division only behind UT and OU. Utah, Arizona, and ASU are in for a rude surprise plus TT & OSU are teams that we have been able to keep up with in the past just not under Dan Hawkins. We would still be one of the top football programs in the Pac-16 over time given our history.
     
  2. aik

    aik Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2008
    Messages:
    5,868
    Likes Received:
    623
    As much as I agree with your positives, I think we are in position right now to be the PAC program that owns Texas recruiting. Wouldn't want to open it back up to that kind of competition from Texas and Oklahoma schools. Also understand my trepidation as UT killed one conference in my lifetime and is poised to do another one dirty very very soon. I like our situation now and if they were to expand I hope the member schools unanimously reject Texas' inclusion. I was sad to leave them at first because I enjoyed playing them with the opportunity to beat them and travel to my hometown for road games, but with the new season starting it just feels so good to leave that arrogance behind. Texas and Nebraska both out of the picture in the same year? Heaven.
     
  3. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2009
    Messages:
    3,909
    Likes Received:
    57
    The power of Texas will probably be limited and that will play to our advantage. When UT is restrained, it's possible you also restrain OU at the same time.

    It takes four votes to scuttle Pac-12 expansion and I know for sure that there will be at least eight votes in support of that plus if it fails, the Pac-8 schools can break off and form a new conference with the four Big 12 schools...do we want to take that risk? I don't think so.
     
  4. Darian3Hagan

    Darian3Hagan '89 Player of the Year Club Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,932
    Likes Received:
    1,380
    We should leave for the MWC.
     
  5. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2009
    Messages:
    3,909
    Likes Received:
    57
    Now that's a plan! ;)
     
  6. Darian3Hagan

    Darian3Hagan '89 Player of the Year Club Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,932
    Likes Received:
    1,380
    I knew you would be onboard :lol:
     
  7. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2009
    Messages:
    3,909
    Likes Received:
    57
    LOL that's the truth but the Pac-16 still is more appealing than the MWC...boy that conference is about to get left in the dust.
     
  8. JimmyBuff

    JimmyBuff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2005
    Messages:
    16,901
    Likes Received:
    227
    wishful thinking if you think CU is ahead of Okie State right now. this ain't 1990. OSU has passed us in both product on the field and in the facility race. It will take years to catch up to that.


    I'm a little disappointed to be honest. I was hoping we could use the Pac 12 to rebrand our identity and give us a chance to catch up. With OU and UT coming in the league in 2012, 2013 it doesn't give us much time.
     
  9. Daaah

    Daaah Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2007
    Messages:
    17,455
    Likes Received:
    1,054
    Wait is this settled? These teams are coming for sure? PAc 12 is expanding?
     
  10. JimmyBuff

    JimmyBuff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2005
    Messages:
    16,901
    Likes Received:
    227
    eventually. depends on whether the SEC takes aggy.
     
  11. CVilleBuff

    CVilleBuff Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2010
    Messages:
    19,525
    Likes Received:
    1,610
    More important is if they take Mizzou. A Big12-3 has a decent shot of surviving, a Big12-4 will lead to to the mayhem that we don't want
     
  12. buffted

    buffted New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2011
    Messages:
    82
    Likes Received:
    2
    what would be so terrible about a big 12-4.. it was the big 8 before it was the big 12
     
  13. rynobuff

    rynobuff Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2005
    Messages:
    2,013
    Likes Received:
    72
    It's not 1995 anymore, that isn't nearly as viable today
     
  14. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    48,495
    Likes Received:
    4,500
    Any positives are nothing more than lipstick on a pig. a 16-team conference sucks for us. UT may come into the league playing nice, but they won't stay that way. They're a cancer. Sometimes cancer is in remission, but when it comes back, it kills you. Under absolutely no circumstances do I want UT in my conference. Remember, Larry Scott won't be around forever. If we let UT in, they will be in until they kill the conference. We cannot afford that.

    Stay at 12. There's no good reason to expand to 16.
     
  15. SpacemanSpiff

    SpacemanSpiff Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2005
    Messages:
    9,132
    Likes Received:
    2,944
    More money. Unfortunately, that's all that seems to matter.

    In the words of Bobbi Fleckman, "money talks and bull**** walks"
    [​IMG]
     
  16. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    48,495
    Likes Received:
    4,500
    More money? We're already going to be pulling $30MM at a minimum. Are we so greedy that we think it's worth selling our soul to the Devil for what might amount to an extra $5MM/Year.
     
  17. SpacemanSpiff

    SpacemanSpiff Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2005
    Messages:
    9,132
    Likes Received:
    2,944
    If OU/OSU/UT/Tech join, I bet you it's more than $5MM extra per year.

    I'm with you. I think Texas, no matter what they say, when push comes to shove, will do what's best for them, not for the conference. They suck as a conference partner. But they (and especially with OU) bring a TON of new value into any tv deal. I'm still praying that they can hold the Big 12 together. I want nothing to do with them in the Pac-12, but I'm worried that the collective group of ADs have $$$ in their eyes.
     
  18. SINKRATZ

    SINKRATZ Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    5,176
    Likes Received:
    1,161
    Remember when you threw a party at your parents house in high school and decided to invite the annoying kid in your class because his 22 year old brother could buy you booze? You didn't want to invite him, but you sucked it up because you wanted it to be a fun party. It was cool for a while, he bought the beer, showed up in the black Escalade his dad bought him, and brought a couple older chicks. This guy was usually named something like Derek or Craig.

    The first couple hours were fun, but then you realized that you gave Derek $200 for beer and he showed up with 3 cases of Keystone Light and no change. Even though you had an awesome backyard, he kept lighting cigarettes in the house which you now have to Febreeze the hell out of before the next morning and even burned a small hole in the sofa which now requires strategic pillow placement to hide.

    He didn't buy enough beer to get the girls drunk enough to get him laid so he raids your parent's liquor cabinet. He mixes vodka, vermouth, peach schnapps, and cranberry juice and offers it to every girl at the party asking them if they like sex on the beach then giggling like he invented the pun.

    You're not 100% sure, but a couple times during the night, you're pretty sure you saw him dropping something into a girl's drink when they weren't watching. You "accidentally" spill them on the floor and get the girls a new drink.

    At least 2 dozen times during the party you have to apologize to the cute girls in your class for the a**hole that keeps putting his arms around them and asking them if they want to go "chillax" in the hot tub over at his place.

    He tries to take home every girl in the house, including the girl you've been after for 2 months. Instead of hanging out with the girl you've had eyes on, you spend half the party trying to figure out why the coat closet floor is wet and how to get s**t out of the upper tank of your guest room toilet.

    Now the party is over, Derek is still hanging around asking anyone left if they have any weed, and finally leaves with the fat chick from your class who is completely plastered. You didn't invite her but she found out about the party and showed up anyway. To save face the next morning about going home with the fat chick, he tells everyone she was like a thai prostitute in bed and let him go backdoor - all of which is a complete lie, they got drive through taco bell went to his place and watched Billy Madison (his favorite movie). Despite his efforts to get to 2nd base, she fell asleep, woke up before him in the morning, ate his last hot pocket to settle her stomach, and left before he woke up.

    Sure you got to drink a couple of beers, but you spent the rest of the party dealing with out of control douchebaggery and swear you'll never invite that a**hole to a party ever again. Two weeks later you're at a party at your buddy's house and you can't believe who shows up - Derek and he's carrying a 6-pack of Rolling Rock and helping himself to the steak in the fridge. The party is a little less fun from then on.

    Texas is like that guy.
     
  19. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2010
    Messages:
    31,689
    Likes Received:
    4,370
    That's no McLovin'
     
  20. Heywood

    Heywood The actual El Guapo Club Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,670
    Likes Received:
    367
    Dude,

    I am very excited to play new teams and get to know all of them. If we go to 16 then we are just back in the big 12 with a few games against the cali and pnw school.
     
  21. boulder77

    boulder77 Certified Organic Club Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2010
    Messages:
    2,168
    Likes Received:
    355
    None.

    Kill it with fire.
     
  22. Hank

    Hank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2005
    Messages:
    6,511
    Likes Received:
    152
    **** that. It's like tossing us back in the Big 12 but taking away Nebraska, Kansas and Missouri. I'm fine with the Big 8 universities, but the Texas schools can go **** themselves. It would suck to leave the Big 12 only to be reunited with the worst of the Big 12. If that's the case, we should have never left.
     
  23. PhillyBuff

    PhillyBuff Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    6,997
    Likes Received:
    305
    You thought CU to the Pac-10 in 2007 was the stupidest idea EVAR..... just sayin :nod:
     
  24. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2007
    Messages:
    27,295
    Likes Received:
    5,974
    Positives:
    The Pac 16 locks up not only the biggest state in the nation, but also adds the second biggest.

    It guarantees that the Pac 16 would be the most viewed conference in the land. Adding 30 million viewers in football crazy Oklahoma-Texas to six states in the Pac 12 makes a juggernaut west of the Mississippi that could not be equaled by the SEC or B1G or ACC.

    The Pac16 with UT/OU + 2 has an excellent chance to contend for the national championship in football and baseball, get a team into the final four, and continue to lead the land in Olympic sports.

    The finest athletes in the nation would come through Boulder to play and compete.

    The TV networks would drool over this collection of talent, pouring money back into the member schools.

    CU's facilities will improve, the number of sports will increase, and the popularity will rise...at a faster pace.

    CU's access to the recruiting pool and coaching pool also elevates.

    Honestly, how much of the hatred for Texas shown on this board is born out of jealousy or envy?

    If you want to be the best, you gotta beat the best. Don't hate the stadium locations, hate the game.
     
  25. BuffLuKe

    BuffLuKe Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2006
    Messages:
    18,545
    Likes Received:
    1,117
    I just think the negatives outweigh the positives in regards to Texas. They are a ****ing snake in the grass and you cant ever trust a nasty assed snake.
     
  26. tante

    tante Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2009
    Messages:
    25,787
    Likes Received:
    1,359
    how about history
     
  27. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    48,495
    Likes Received:
    4,500
    I highly doubt that. I might have thought it very unlikely, but not a stupid idea.
     
  28. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2007
    Messages:
    27,295
    Likes Received:
    5,974
    I think that history shows that CU has been CU's biggest problem since 2001.

    The pseudo scandal that knocked GB out was not the fault of Texas. The selection of D2 was not the fault of Texas. The inability to build facilities during the B12 arms race was not the fault of Texas.

    There's no denying that the B12 ignored Denver for the CCG, but then again, the Denver Athletic Commission and Front Range leadership didn't exactly prioritize CU football over the Broncos.

    There's no doubt 70-3 was an epic beat down. But CU also got their asses handed to them in a CCG by Oklahoma and were beaten ruthlessly and repeatedly by Mizzou.

    The Darrell Scott saga and Chip Brown's propaganda were annoying, but these were not major contributing factors in CU's long slide into irrelevance during the last decade.

    While the Texas hate is popular and entertaining, in the end it's disingenuous.

    Beebe and the Denver Post and the Broncos are every bit the boogie man that Texas is.

    That said, I'd be perfectly happy to give CU atleast ten years in the Pac 12 to get to know the new neighborhood before jumping into another re-alignment.
    But adding UT as part of the P16 expansion wouldn't be the beginning of the end.
     
  29. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    48,495
    Likes Received:
    4,500
    Totally disagree. While CU's slide is not UT's fault, the collapse and destruction of the Big 12 most certainly is.
     
  30. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2007
    Messages:
    27,295
    Likes Received:
    5,974
    Schumpeter would call UT's roll in the B12 "creative distructionism." In the end, CU finally ended up in a conference where we belong. If UT was the catalyst for that, then so be it. I don't begrudge Texas for facilitating a little evolutionary survival of the fittest within NCAAFB.

    They are a pain in the ass, but they are not the conference killing cancer sacky makes them out to be.
     

Share This Page