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Progress? Improvement?

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Clean Undies, Nov 1, 2014.

  1. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Not this week.
     
  2. GoonieBuff

    GoonieBuff Not really Club Member

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    Three and out on defense to start the game, and a touchdown on the first possession. That's progress and improvement, but after that...
     
  3. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Compare this game and the season opener against CSU.

    Take the lead in the first half. Lose momentum going into the locker room. Play timid and **** the bed in the second half.

    Back to square one.
     
  4. DBT

    DBT Club Member Club Member

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    As frustrated and absolutely pissed as I am, I now believe we can move the ball and score on every possession. That's why I get frustrated with the stupid drive killing plays we make again and again. Conversely, every time the other team gets the ball, I also they can move the ball and score on every possession. That adds to the frustration when our offense stubs a toe. I almost feel like we HAVE to score every possession because of our ****ty defense.
     
  5. patebuff

    patebuff Downgraded to half a star Club Member

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    I know what I see on the field, but not going to say regarding a bunch of 18-21 year olds.
     
  6. Lukeasaurus

    Lukeasaurus Well-Known Member

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    Progress from the last few years though? Definitely. It's so frustrating watching this team lose week in and week out but... It's night and day from the the Embree years + last year
     
  7. tante

    tante Club Member Club Member

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    Nobody blamed the loss on officiating. That is progress to me.
     
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  8. patebuff

    patebuff Downgraded to half a star Club Member

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    :lol: Our fan base is getting better. Rep
     
  9. MtnBuff

    MtnBuff Not allowed in Barzil 2 Club Member

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    There were a couple of times I was fully expecting the PAC officials to screw us and they didn't, I'm in shock.
     
  10. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    P12 officiating is improving. [emoji106]
    Solid point.
     
  11. nolabuff

    nolabuff Club Member Club Member

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    We suck, but two years ago most teams in the Pac-12 could have put up 100 on us if they wanted. MM is putting us in a position to win the game if we had talent and that will be the key problem for the next few years.
     
  12. patebuff

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    ugh
     
  13. Bufffan68

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    Definitely progress since CSU. However, it is the same team making dumb mistakes and losing the game for the last month or so.

    Gotta hand it to them though...it's something different every week. 3 missed FGs, ****up before halftime, pick 6 etc. and bad reffing doesn't help.
     
  14. SECOBuffsFan

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    The eye test says we look like a football team now as compared to 2 years ago where we were a walking cluster****

    That being said.....CU needs to clean up the little things now to win games....that is progress/improvement
     
  15. Bufffan68

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    Agreed. But they don't seem to be doing that. Every game it's something else...like whack-a-mole.
     
  16. Buffenuf

    Buffenuf massive tool

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    Time for the players to step up as a whole:

    No excuses for SR FG kicker to miss three in Cali.

    No excuses for lining up wrong on "D" for Perkins' 93 yd. run---players admitted they lined up against that fUCLA formation, 50 times in practice without a error, but game time? Meh. LBs buying play fakes and leaving their gaps---ASU and fUCLA TDs----no excuses.

    Halftime: arguing with the ref instead of doing the obvious in spiking it----no excuses. Missing wide-open WRs downfield, because it doesn't say "SPRUCE" on the back of their jersey---no excuses. Focusing on WR, rather than coverage---no excuses.

    SR punter mis-hits a rugby-style kick designed to pin UW deep in their end and instead sends a low, line drive right to the return guy---no excuses.

    Failing to "roll-tackle" UW RB after practicing same all week---no excuses.

    Players: Get mad as he*l and vow not to take it anymore! Execute as you've been coached to !
     
  17. Bufffan68

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    Good post. I've been thinking about this, who is to blame, and the lion's share goes to the players. During press conferences etc, Mac has been more than willing to say they need to do a better job coaching. But this last one, he kinda let the players have it...calling out Lindsay for the fumbles and the D for not roll tackling like they've done 100 times in practice and like they were told to do this game.
     
  18. MtnBuff

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    This is one of the cliches that bother me the most, partly because of how Hawkins used it.

    Simple fact is that if it cost you games it isn't a little thing. If it doesn't cost you games then it isn't a high priority.

    Call them details, call them fine points, but don't call them little things, that's a loser mentality.
     
  19. Bufffan68

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    Our devil has certainly been in the details.
     
  20. 89BUFF89

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    It's not just the underclassmen making errors, either. Tony Jones not getting out of bounds, Tony Jones false start, Nembot false start(s), etc. We don't have the talent to overcome mental mistakes like a UCLA can.
     
  21. MtnBuff

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    Good teams usually have upperclassmen who are the leaders, who provide the examples and the vocal motivation.

    This team has very few upperclassmen and not many of those provide the kind of leadership that good teams have. Some because they are secondary players and aren't in position, others because it isn't their personality. Most because they had that gap under JE that was leaderless from the coaches and didn't learn.

    I do think Hendo is a quality leader and Bell would be. Spruce as a jr. shows a lot of leadership. Beyond that ????
     
  22. Da Lama

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    Progress - yes. Improvement - no. A buddy hammered this into to me after the game Saturday. We may look better, but maybe it doesn't matter. This is just sad.

    WINS UNDER MacIntyre = 6
    CSU - Decent win in hindsight.
    Central Arkansas - FCS team. 2nd half comeback to win @ home.
    Charleston Southern - 2nd year FCS team
    Cal - @ Home vs a rebuilding program
    UMASS - 2nd yr FBS program with 3 wins in 2 years. Had to mount a comeback to win.
    Hawaii - Bottom tier FBS program. Ugly win at home.
     
  23. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Wait are you really trying to argue that there hasn't been any improvement?
     
  24. HUFset

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    If we continue to recruit 2* players, I'd expect these type of wins to be the only wins we can get.
     
  25. sliderNcider

    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    It's quite clear we've improved. The ? shouldn't be if anymore. It really should be how, as in how much have we improved?
     
  26. Mr. Babar

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    Wins will come. Hopefully. Someday soon. Because this s*** is getting old.

    Progress = TBD, Improvement = Yes. We don't stink as badly as we have in years past, but we won't be able to measure progress for a while. Too many 'diamonds in the rough' and 'projects' that need to play out. KSU has 20 walk-ons on their two-deep, so projects can pan out.
     
  27. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    The yardstick is too long.
    It's obvious by now that 2014 is an improvement over 2013 or the Embree years. This is no a point worth rehashing.

    The better question is whether or not the team is improving week to week?

    Phase 1 - Struggle
    The CSU and Umass games had some sloppy moments.

    Phase 2 - new and improved
    ASU, Hawaii, Cal, and Oregon State showed progress over the first two games.

    Phase 3 - regression
    USC was a set back.

    Phase 4 - stagnant & missing key pieces
    UCLA and Washington was a step forward from Phase 3, but somewhere in Phase 1 or 2 territory. The loss of key D backs and Safeties was evident

    Phase 5 - ???
    If the final stretch against Arizona, Oregon, and Utah resemble Phase 2, then their is room for optimism. If the last three games resemble the USC game or Phase 1, then it would erase some of the optimism shown during phase 2.
     
  28. Bufffan68

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    This is more context when considering the **** sandwich MM inherited. A sense of urgency is a good thing, but let's all remember the depths this program sunk to...it was probably worse than even we know.
     
  29. Da Lama

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    Yep. Progress has been made = we aren't losing by as much as before. Improvement, no = we still continue to lose and the wins we do have are a struggle or are absolutely worthless in the big picture of getting back to respectability.

    To the outside world, 2-10 under MacIntyre is exactly the same as 2-10 under Embree. Improvement only counts in the W/L column. Any other measurement is worthless.
     
  30. Bufffan68

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    Seems like a much harder sell to recruits...come get blown out every game for a terrible team, or come to Boulder and be part of this turnaround we are in the middle of. So Ws are very important, but the nature of the games is important too IMO.
     

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