Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by DBT, Oct 2, 2011.
Ive always said "Codys mind + tylers ability = A good qb"
Pretty accurate. Damn.
Why should people apologize to Hawkins for playing Cody? Cody was a senior and had regressed each year. While Tyler was a junior that was just as good as him. Look at the completion percentage, QB rating, TD to INT ratio, rushing yards, and if there was a stat batted passes. What do we have to apologize for?
Hardly, TH hasn't had every sixth pass batted down at the LOS, hasn't retreated 31 yards into the endzone for a safety or single handedly set a new mark for INT's. I'll take TH over CH every day of the week and 2x on Saturday.
Uh, both QB's were not good. Can't wait to see Wood and Dillon!
Cody Hawkins sucked and had no business playing for an FBS level team. Daddy sucked even more for jerking around Hansen for 3+ years.
Watching CU yesterday and it is perfectly clear that there are only a few junior and senior players on this team with any ability. DII sucked as a coach and sucked at recruiting.
It is going to take 5-8 years to undue all the damage that assclown did.
Nobody thinks that TH is the second coming of Luck or Elway or even as talented as the kid we faced yesterday. At the same time he at least belongs in the discussion as a QB for an AQ level school. Cody would have been a great player at D2 or at FCS but simply wasn't talented enough to play at this level.
Daddy never could come to believe that and instead of developing Hanson to the level he could reach, he instead persisted in trying to force Cody into the roll of the star and TH suffered for it. Remember that TH should be RS junior with a number more games under his belt rather than a relatively inexperienced senior.
TH isn't the solution but with the talent (or lack of) around him he isn't the problem either.
Lobstertail was condisderabkly better. When Wash St's back up quarterback is considerably better than your starter, you're in trouble.
Lobbestael is a decent QB and a 5th year senior. (what TH should be next year). He has a good deal of previous experience, and so far this year has been doing very well in place of Tuel. Having their backup is not quite as bad as it sounds, since the starter is very good and this backup has quite a bit of experience under his belt. Lobbestael has played in 19 games overall while TH has played in 20. I am confident that if TH had redshirted his freshman year and been brought along through a normal coaching staff, he would be a damn good QB by now and heading into next year would be one to watch. Unfortunately D II screwed us in that aspect as well. TH hasn't been bad this year though, and most of our issues seem to be on defense and the o-line. If the o-line would cut the drive killing penalties in half and the D would step up and make a play when we need one we would have won 4 of the past 5 and put up quite a fight at OSU. TH is not the long term solution but I think he is doing the best he can right now and giving us a fighting chance more often than not.
So you think that since he didn't RS he's damaged goods? I know he got a raw deal from the previous staff, but it's time to move on and step up. Lobbestael seems to be making the most out of his opportunity, why isn't Tyler?
Not at all damaged goods, my only point was he hasn't truly been coached by a QB coach until this year. I am saying if he was right now a redshirt junior with proper coaching he would be much better than he is at the moment. TH is great and I think he puts everything he has into the game to try and come out with a win. I just dont think he has had the coaching to give him an opportunity to excel at this level until very recently and with another year in the system would have probably been fantastic next year had hawk not burned his RS twice.
I don't think Tyler's the problem. He's better than what a lot of teams have. We've got so many other problems that Tyler's way down on my list of things to bitch about.
A real question we should be debating is whether or not it's worth it to give Hirsch some game experience yet???
I know that would be giving Hansen an even more raw deal, but it's not like he's earned anything with this team during his tenure.....so unless he is really night and day better than Hirsch, at what point do you start preparing for next year already? Stanford on the Road is certainly not the place to do it.....but if we haven't won come Arizona at home, why the hell not?
I couldn't disagree more with this statement. However, I still like you DBT haha...
I have no doubts about Tyler's drive to get a win on Saturdays, but he is a very average QB. If Conner Wood had come to CU last year, I think we'd all be watching Wood starting by now.
The question I think would be is that if we bench tyler now before the halfway point and not let him see the field at all the rest of the season, would we have a shot at a petition to the NCAA for a RS? Give NH some experience, coach up TH in the system another year and have a 5th year senior, a true freshman a RS sophomore, and a talented transfer compete for the starting QB gig next fall?
When your SR QB is singlehandedly ending drives by forcing the ball into double coverage, I think it's a problem worth discussing. An experienced QB shouldn't be making those types of mistakes.
The last DIV1 QB cu had was detmer......
TH doesn't have nearly the amount of experience at this point as he should have.
Feel free. But you're overstating the problem. Did you see how many open receivers that WSU's QB missed yesterday?
I'm more concerned about the fact that we played a spread team with a MASH unit of a secondary and weren't able to run the ball for **** to shorten the game. Also, that we couldn't run or protect or avoid penalties for 2 straight drives when we had a chance to put the game away but, instead, had 2 straight drives that lost yardage.
There's already a thread on that topic. We're talking about Tyler right now. :smile2:
Biggest and toughest task for Embree and the staff is to convince the team to play to win in every game.
Unless Hirsch is showing something that indicates to the rest of the team that playing him is clearly about trying to win the coaches are just throwing everything they have been trying to work for out the window.
I would like to see him get some time if for nothing else than to not be coming into camp next year with zero varsity snaps at the QB position. At the same time the only way it can be justified in light of the big picture is if TH gets hurt or if something is happening in practice that tells the rest of the team that the coaches aren't giving up on the season or the games.
Moschetti was pretty good.
I think any kind of QB controversy is probably the last thing CU needs right now. Tyler is the best option we've got. Might as well let it play out.
Moschetti was a warrior, still one of my favorite buffs. You talk about heart, he had it ten fold.
When the game is on the line, playmakers make plays.
Tyler is not a playmaker. He is a serviceable game manager.
Buffnik is talking about something that directly impacts the QB position. Being able to have a threat in the running game, having time to pass, having decent field position, and not being forced to have to score and score fast on possessions makes a huge difference in how effective a QB can be.
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