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Roster next year

Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by letsgoavs192, Feb 22, 2013.

  1. letsgoavs192

    letsgoavs192 Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking about how good of shape we will be in next year for basketball and it hit me that I completely forgot about 2 guys we are redshirting this year that were both 3 star recruits last season (Gordon and Jenkins).

    If Dinwiddie and Roberson don’t go pro, this is what we are looking at next year.


    Guards:

    Booker
    Dinwiddie
    Talton
    Adams
    Stalzer
    Hopkins (4 star recruit. Had offers from arizona, Auburn, Colorado State, USC)


    Forwards:

    Gordon (Redshirting this year)
    Jenkins (Redshirting this year)
    Xavier Johnson
    Roberson
    Fletcher (Freshman next year)
    Thomas (Freshman next year)


    Centers:

    Josh Scott
    Harris-Tunks


    Starting 5 of
    Booker
    Dinwiddie
    Johnson
    Roberson
    Scott


    Coming off the bench
    Talton
    Adams
    Stalzer
    Hopkins
    Gordon
    Jenkins
    Harris-Tunks


    Possible Redshirt:
    Fletcher
    Thomas
    **Unless these two guys are good enough to play right away. Either way it is a good situation…either they can play and contribute or we can afford to redshirt them because of our depth.

    Here is the craziest part…that entire roster above will be back the year AFTER next aside from Adams, Harris-Tunks, and Roberson. Assuming nobody goes pro early (Dinwiddie).
     
  2. Daaah

    Daaah Club Member Club Member

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    That's 14 scholarships which I believe is one over the limit.
     
  3. jwhite17

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    I can't wait to watch next year's team with or without Roberson (hopefully with!). We will return at least four starters... I expect Mills, Tunks and Adams to move on.

    Boyle will finally have enough depth to really run teams into the ground in Boulder. I expect us to utilize a ton of pressing at home because our starters won't be as worn down with so many guys ready to go on the bench. I think Boyle wants us to be like Mizzouri when Mike Anderson coached there.

    I hope Dre does return because next year could be truly special if everyone stays healthy.
     
  4. rolandftw

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    Fletcher's a 4 star recruit too, at least on 2/3 of the main recruiting sites. I'd be surprised if he got redshirted, as he's seen as the best of our three recruits in many circles. If Roberson comes back, Thomas makes sense to get redshirted. Just won't be many minutes with both Andre and Gordon ahead of him (giving Gordon the benefit of the doubt, as he will have had a year in Boyle's system, even though he hasn't played). This is my guess on what our depth chart will be:

    PG Dinwiddie/Talton or Stalzer (will split minutes depending on matchups)
    SG Booker/Jenkins/Hopkins (RS)
    SF Johnson/Fletcher
    PF Gordon/Thomas
    C Scott/JC or Senior transfer/Tunks

    I expect Roberson to test the NBA waters, and it wouldn't shock me if some team gave him a promise late in the first round. We have some interesting choices with Jeremy Adams, Tunks and Mills. If Adams is healthy, he's a very good defensive presence and he has had some moments on the offensive end as well. The big question is whether he'll be healthy enough to rely on for 10-15 minutes a game. Hoping that he is able to.

    If we can get a senior center that can back up Scott, hard to say what the future would hold for Mills and Tunks
     
  5. BIGEZ321

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    If he's healthy, I dont see Adams leaving. He's been a good, serviceable defender off the bench. His experience will be needed as well for a deep tourney run next year.
     
  6. jcatcher

    jcatcher Club Member Club Member

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    Keep in mind that a transfer has to sit out a year, so it would be a moot point for Tunks and Mills, who'll both be done after next year. The only thing that could help for next year is a guy who's already graduated and his team is willing to let him go. While there are a few of those guys in football, they're scarce as hen's teeth in basketball, especially seviceable big guys.

    If we do run into scholarship issues, it has to be Mills who gets the "Coach needs to see you in his office" call. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't already happened, with the qualifier of "If Dre goes to the NBA..."

    Tunks isn't going anywhere, you can't go into a season with only one big body. We were lucky we had Utah last night, because it would have been a lot harder for Dre to guard an athletic 7 footer that every other team in the league seems to have a couple of.
     
  7. mattrob

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    There may be 4 of those guys in the whole conference. Dre's shown he can guard guys much bigger than he is and we'll have Gordon in the mix next year too. We'll have enough size next year even if Shane leaves. If Gordon can give us something like 6ppg and 4rpg in 15 minutes, we'll be in really good shape. Unless you can get one of the truly elite 7 footers, I think size is overrated in college basketball. If you have a couple of guys who are in the 6'10" range who can play, you can compete inside with 90% of teams.
     
  8. FtColBuff

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    I don't see it that way. Hopkins will start at the 2 spot immediately. Booker will come off the bench. Dinwiddie will start at the 1 with either Talton or Stalzer redshirting because we will not need both. XJohnson and Roberson will start at 3/4 with Fletcher behind X and Jenkins behind Andre. Thomas should redshirt. At the post, or 5, Scott with Gordon behind him.

    Tunks is gone. Nice kid, like him, but, on a team desperate for a big presence in the post, he gets beat out by a freshmen and doesn't really play that much or is effective. He is not a force or a factor and next season we will have plenty of bigs ready to play. Tunks graduates in May and I see him heading back to Australia.

    Jeremy Adams also graduates in May and I don't see him cracking the line up for any kind of meaningful minutes with all the new talent coming in with Jenkins and Fletcher. Chances are better than good that he also moves on. I believe Mills will be our 13th player on scholarship next season.
     
  9. rosstr

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    1. Dinwiddie, Talton
    2. Hopkins, Booker, Jenkins
    3. Johnson, Fletcher, Adams
    4. Roberson, Gordon
    5. Scott, Tunks

    Redshirt: Thomas


    IMO, Stalzer's scholarship has to be freed up: he just doesn't offer CU anything as a marginal pac12 talent. Talton is leaps and bounds better, with a higher ceiling athletically. I think Mills has to be done this year, too.
     
  10. mattrob

    mattrob Club Member Club Member

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    Stalzer isn't going anywhere. I don't see Tad cutting anyone. He committed to the kid and will stand by that. I'm consistently surprised by how many people want to start yanking kids scholarships because they didn't have a great season.
     
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  11. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    fif emphasis
     
  12. Bass

    Bass Club Member Club Member

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    yeah... that wont happen. The kid is a twig. His future position will be a 2 or maybe 3
     
  13. rosstr

    rosstr Well-Known Member

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    "Freed up" does not mean the scholarship is yanked. Stalzer is a huge liability on defense and has shown very little offensively. If he stays for the next 3 years, he shouldn't see much more than "Mills" type minutes.
    A transfer down makes sense.
     
  14. MtnBuff

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    Tad is capable of making a mistake but it will take more time to prove that Stalzer is a mistake. Tad had a reason he offered him and brought him in, Tad is also very good at seeing recruits more for what they will be than what they are at the moment.

    I don't see Stalzer ever being a "star" type player but it wouldn't shock me at all to see him two years from now being a glue guy who makes the other more talented players on the floor better. He already did that in HS.
     
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    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Let's not write Eli off after one year. He knows he'll only be coming off the bench, lets see how his shot develops along with the rest of the game.
     
  16. mattrob

    mattrob Club Member Club Member

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    When you say the scholarship has to be freed up, you give the impression that Tad needs to cut him. Or force a transfer. That's not the right way to run the program. If a kid decides on his own that he's not going to see the floor and wants to transfer, that's a different story.
     
  17. rolandftw

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    I really like Jaron Hopkins, and am real glad that he committed to our program but I don't see him starting as a freshman. At least immediately. As much as Booker has struggled, he still has had two full years of college basketball experience under him. If a top 75 recruit in Xavier Johnson couldn't immediately start over Sabatino Chen, I see almost no chance that Jaron will immediately start over Booker. It's Booker's job to lose, and I don't think he loses it prior to the season starting.

    We'll see how it turns out, but I think Fletcher is more of a threat to be a starter in his first year, then anyone else is.
     
  18. tante

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    Any chance we may have to abandon the concept of starters on this team. How likely is it that Tad wants to roll 10 or 11 deep and wants a guy play an intense 20 minutes?
     
  19. rosstr

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    Hope for the best. But in 2014, Collier, Perkins, Booker, Dinwiddie, Talton might be at guard. There aren't going to be minutes for a 6th guard, practically.
     
  20. rolandftw

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    It's very unlikely that Dinwiddie, Perkins, Collier will all be here in 2014. My guess is 1 of the 3 will be here.
     
  21. letsgoavs192

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    i think he could be similar to what Nate Tomlinson was in a couple years
     
  22. rosstr

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    Fair enough, Dinwiddie could very well leave. Perhaps a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

    However, the scholarship numbers for 2013 have to come from somewhere...
     
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    I think we could trend towards seeing this, once our paper thin depth from 2010-2012 gives way to 2013+ top100 talent.
     
  24. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    It wouldn't be 10 guys getting 20 minutes each. But I could certainly see Tad going Nolan Richardson 40 Minutes of Hell style and have 10 guys each average 10+ a night.
     
  25. buffaholic

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    Well we got 15 guys next year including SHT, Mills, and nobody going pro. So the stance that Tad won't pull a scholly is laughable. He has a plan as he is NOT telling an incoming freshman sorry we don't have room.

    It likely works its way out. Mills can go D2 close to home and not sit out.

    Still think Eli's situation was very unusual and could be he was brought in on a yr to yr scholly promise. Tuition really not an issue and could have been a PWO if there hadn't to have been a scholly available late.

    But we will see. Got to get down to 15 and likely it takes care of itself.
     
  26. mattrob

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    Or maybe Tad signed 3, knowing that 2 people were leaving this year. My gut says Shane told him he was leaving after graduating this year and Mills will be leaving. Mills was on the verge of transferring after last year, and my guess is he told Tad he'd be here one more year. I have no inside knowledge here, but I think Tad has information that won't go public until after the season.
     
  27. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I have no info that would suggest anyone from the 2012 class of 6 guys is leaving, but it would be kind of amazing if we kept them all here. I was reading an article last night that said about 40% of men's basketball recruits end up at a different program than they signed with - usually by their sophomore year.
     
  28. OUBuff

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    I wish Chen could stay for another year.

    :popcorn:
     
  29. alec10burks

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    Isn't Tunks not coming back next year?
     
  30. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Suspected, not confirmed. He is on track to graduate as a 4th year junior, though, from all reports.
     

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