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Showing a little solidarity with our Pac-10 Trojans

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Buffnik, Jul 22, 2010.

  1. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I just wanted to say that I think it's complete bull**** that USC got the hammer dropped on them like they did. The problem is with sports agents, not with the USC program. It's almost impossible to police this stuff.

    Should USC have noticed the new house and other goodies such as the family having the resources to travel to away games? Of course. And they should have looked into it.

    But the punishment is too harsh. The NCAA better drop similar punishments on Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina if it uncovers extra benefits from agents in those cases too.

    And then some new rules need to be drafted whereby the NCAA accredits sports agents who play by the rules and possibly gives them a forum to meet and present to the athletes in a program within a structured environment. The NCAA needs to get out in front of this, use the opportunity to educate the kids, and give an advantage to the agents that play by the rules.
     
  2. 4DemBuffs

    4DemBuffs Most admired poster Club Member

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    why does the NCAA work out something with the NFL whereby agents are banned from representing players in the NFL for say 5 years once it has been proven that they acted improperly with a college athlete?
     
  3. BuffLuKe

    BuffLuKe Club Member Club Member

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    Daaah Club Member Club Member

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    Pffft. USC cheats. They get no sympathy from me.
     
  5. MtnBuff

    MtnBuff Not allowed in Barzil 2 Club Member

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    On one side, yes the NCAA is unrealistic if they think that they or the schools can keep kids, especially kids who have dreamed all their lives of playing for pay, from talking with agents and once the agents get ahold of them they will do things that are violations. In that light to hold a school to a standard of being perfect is unreasonable.

    At the same time I find it impossible to believe that USC didn't have at least some indications of what was happening with Reggie Bush and they choose to ignore it. The USC administration knew what was happening with OJ Mayo and ignored it.

    SC has gotten off with a free pass on bunches of stuff in the past while CU got probation for giving walk-ons some meals and some players some clothing. I don't cry at all for USC in this situation. They were winning, they were making lots of money and getting lots of attention and they made the decision to ignore clear violations of the rules (and maybe to encourage them) to keep the good times rolling. The NCAA has a history of pounding less prominent schools with punishments and ignoring the top TV draws. In this case USC went so far past the line that they left the NCAA with no choice and thus they got hit.

    You can argue about the value and fairness of the NCAA rules but to argue that SC didn't deserve everything they got and maybe more doesn't make any sense. The only arguement is why it didn't happen earlier.
     
  6. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    I am with you.
     
  7. BehindEnemyLines

    BehindEnemyLines beware the habu Club Member

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    Interesting how Miles Brand passes away and the ncaa now seems to actually want to enforce their own rules.
     
  8. buff4bcs1985

    buff4bcs1985 Hail to the King

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    the nfl doesnt seem to care
     
  9. BehindEnemyLines

    BehindEnemyLines beware the habu Club Member

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    Troo. Why spite your farm system?
     
  10. Daaah

    Daaah Club Member Club Member

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    Why would the NFL care?
     
  11. BuffLuKe

    BuffLuKe Club Member Club Member

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    Heard someone talking about this, forget who, they basically said it wasnt an NFL issue but a player's union one.
     
  12. Sexton Hardcastle

    Sexton Hardcastle Club Member Club Member

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    The coaching staff knew what Reggie was doing. His postion coach new everything and failed to report it. U$C got off light imo.
     
  13. BuffLuKe

    BuffLuKe Club Member Club Member

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    I concur and I hope they dont lighten the punishment on their appeal.
     
  14. bombay

    bombay Club Member Club Member

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    Football players deserve 'dignity money'. What they do is basically a year round full time job.

    The problem, I know, is how to do that without paying women's underwater lacrosse players.
     
  15. fatbuff

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    If you are not on TV, you dont get paid.
     
  16. SINKRATZ

    SINKRATZ Club Member Club Member

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    Disagree - even if the school is allowed to throw a little stipend to the players for their "work", it's never going to be enough to discourage them from taking the six figure money, escalades, or rent free living that agents can dangle in front of them.

    The punishments are too light IMO. As harsh as the USC punishment was, do you think USC would trade in all the success they had over the last 10 years to get out from under these sanctions? No way, it's just the cost of doing business at the highest level. That's why guys like Neuheisel and Calipari will always have a job no matter how many schools they leave on probation.
     
  17. bombay

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    Works for me. Probably not the Title Niners.
     
  18. SuperiorBuff

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    Reggie knew and had a responsibility to report to the school himself. The NFLPA should have a system of fining incoming or existing players when something like this is proven. The money could go to the scholarship funds of schools with a track record of running clean programs. The agents should be suspended from all NFL activities and representation for 5 years, in addition to the universities getting hammered. This may not eliminate the issue but would put some teeth into a major problem and possibly improve the relationship between the NFL and NCAA.
     
  19. MtnBuff

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    I think you could argue that a number of sports are basically full time jobs.

    The place where you have legitimate arguments come from two areas.

    1) Football pays the freight. At many major universities football revenues are what pays for all the other "non-revenue" sports including the women's sports that are there to provide "equal opportunity." Without football how many universities would even provide scholarships for womens lacrosse, gymnastics, women's golf or cross-country, etc. The supporters of women's sports can argue about equal opportunity but the fact is that they are not providing equal value. With the exception of some women's basketball programs, a few volleyball programs, and a rare few exceptions how many women's sports generate enough revenue to even start covering their cost. Football pays for all this, it is different and should be treated as such.

    2) The lifetime cost to the players in the game of football. Again their are exceptions but how many of the participants in other sports are risking their long-term health to represent the university. It is documented clearly that football takes a physical toll on the body that impacts the rest of the players life. How many former college linemen (most of whom never recieved a check from the NFL) spend their lives from their early thirties on with lower back problems, compare the frequency of knee replacement, hip replacement, arthritis, etc. with athletes in other sports. Compare the difficulties that some players have with returning and maintaining normal weight after their careers are over and the impact this has on lifespan (especially when leg and back injuries make excercising difficult.)

    I know that there are many former college football players who live relatively normal healthy lives but the frequency of physical issues would certainly seem to justify some other level of compensation for these players compared to the non-revenue sports.
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  20. SINKRATZ

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    The NFLPA would never do that, why would they? Fine themselves or future members? The problem here is that all these agent shenanigans with college players don't have any real impact on the NFL so why would they step in? USC going on probation doesn't hurt the NFL so they really don't care.
     
  21. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    If you are on TV a lot, you get paid a lot.
     
  22. SuperiorBuff

    SuperiorBuff Well-Known Member

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    The NFL wants access. High draft busts are expensive and one of the reasons that the league and NFLPA are arguing about new rookie caps. Improved access decreases the likelihood of poor choices. Conversely, like Saban mentioned yesterday the NCAA could very easily eliminate the NFL's access to evaluate players altogether outside of the combine. Risk would go up as well as the likelihood of a rookie salary cap, hurting the players, NFLPA and agents.
     
  23. UrbanaBuff

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    I have no pity for the USC's, Alabama's and Florida's of the world.

    If Oregon State or Indiana were taken to the mat, then maybe I'd feel differently.
     
  24. JimmyBuff

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    I feel bad for the fans (although they seem very arrogant like UT fans) but the program made its own bed. I think they got off easy as well. I'd take away their TV money and give it to their fellow Pac 10 members for 2 years and ban them for bowls for 3 years. USC made a lot of money in the past 10 years with all their success. Taking away some scholarships, giving them a financial hit and ban them for bowls would be the right thing to do. I'd also consider making them play no home conference games for a year too. They should get a much harder financial penalty for all their cheating.
     
  25. sweaty teets

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    their fans blow. i have no remorse for them.
     
  26. Ruckus

    Ruckus Peep my words. Club Member

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    That's not fair. Come on.
     
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    They knew what was going on with Reggie. If you pay any attention at all you can see when people come into a little money. And furthermore, didn't they know OJ Mayo was paid too? I know different programs, but same athletic department.

    Turning a blind eye is cheating and should always be considered cheating. The system is set up to force these kids to play in college if they want a shot at the pros. Many of these kids are not true college kids and have no business being there on academic merits alone. It is an athletic departments DUTY to keep these kids noses clean, educate them, develop them and attempt to either get them a pro career or a degree.

    USC showed they did not care about the rules or their players. They deserved every bit of the sanctions they received.
     
  29. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Nope. **** USC and piss on their ashes. **** that school and their entitled bull****.
     
  30. BehindEnemyLines

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    NFL (scouts) access and Agent access are two different things. I don't think the scouts and pro evaluators gain much by personal contact with players, at least until they're eligible to be drafted. And I'm pretty sure the scouts, et al, have no interest in an agents opinion of a players abilities, for obvious reasons.

    I think Saban is off base on this one (regarding NFL access). However, someone needs to do something about the agents and their merry bunch of leeches.
     

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