Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by stampy, Apr 19, 2010.
I'm skeptical, but as a constanzian, this might turn out great.
I'm with you on this one stampy. Boyle is the one I wanted the least but hopefully, costanza willing, this will turn out for the best.
This is uninspiring for me
It seems to me that Bohn made cost a primary consideration with this hire. It will be interesting to see what the compensation package looks like.
The AD should go ahead and hire Woelk. He does plenty of work for them as it is.
Can he recruit? That is the bottom line for me....Colorado isn't a hot bed of basketball so having an in with the coaches here isn't all its cracked up to be....can he go to California and Texas and get guys there.
Also, where does that put us with assistants? Is he keeping the guys on staff or is he bringing his own?
This was my third option when I started laying out the hiring landscape...I wish him well but McClain and Dunlap seemed better to me.
wonder if McClain would stay on as Associate Head Coach?
I will give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm with you two in my uninspired surprise.
I'm guessing that Dunlap is not a huge fan of Mike Bohn, at this point.
i'm kind of on the fence re: Boyle. his UNC team shot a lot of 3's I seem to recall.
McClain going to Indiana
Boyle is going to have high expectations in his first year because all Buffs fans expect a good season. I think his association with Mark Turgeon gives some hope and Larry Brown was extremely high on him having called Bohn to recommend him...I sure that was big for Bohn.
If his teams play tough defense and are hard nosed on the boards (the two things I thought they lacked on a consistant basis under Bzdelik) that will go a long way with me. I want CU Basketball to be about toughness.
I hate Mike Bohn. He needs to go.
well Bohn has now completed his work for the Rams (CSU), he has destroyed ever major sports program at CU.
UNC beat the Rams who beat the buffs. CU needs a coach that is great not good. Boyle might be great.
UNC clowned CSU. UNC also clowned CU in a pre-season scrimmage. There was serious hand-wringing going on in Dal Ward after the UNC scrimmage --- it turns out UNC was pretty damn good in bball.
Boyle knows how to win. He has more collegiate experience than Bzzzz did when Bzzzzz got the job (Oregon, Tennesseee, Wichita State) and has coached with / under several very good coaches: Larry Brown, Jerry Green, Mark Turgeon, etc.
He also knows how to build a program -- he took UNC from #316 out of #316 in D-1 bball to a 20+ win season. I ask one thing -- Don't bury the guy before he's coached a single game here. He knows what he's doing. And I should know -- he was my high school bball coach a long time ago.
It's not a question of whether he can coach, or whether he knows the game. It's a question of whether he can bring in college basketball players that are as good or better than the guys we play against in conference. As we saw with Bzdelik over the last 3 years, great coaching doesn't mean jack unless you have the players to execute. (In this 3rd year we sorta did, and won a few. In his first two years we were 12th out of 12 teams. He didn't get super smart in year 3.)
I wasn't even sold on Bzdelik's ability to recruit Big 12 caliber athletes to Boulder. I suspect even he had doubts about that, which might explain why left here to go to actual Basketball Country.
I'm doubly not sold on Boyle's ability to bring in superior athletes. Has he ever recruited a blue chipper to anywhere?
For the life of me, I cannot understand how Mike Bohn still doesn't understand the importance of recruiting in college basketball.
I think those are fair questions. Still, he roundly kicked CU's a** earlier this year, and not one of those players suiting up for UNC was a "blue chip" talent. He also beat CSU with those same players -- the same CSU team that beat CU this year.
I do agree that he will succeed on a high level only if he can recruit. I think we'll have to sit back and watch and see how he does. But it's not like the other candidates for the job were home run hires and had recruited blue chip player after blue chip player.
Here you guys go again. Ripping anything you can rip just for the sake of it. One thing I've learned, judging how a coach will do at the time he or she is hired is tenuous at best. I know nothing about Boyle and will withold judgement. One thing it sounds like he has going for him are a lot of contacts in good places. I'd bet a guy like Larry Brown would go out of his way to recommend CU to a high school kid, for instance. So, maybe, Boyle's network in college basketball will pay dividends. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
His staff will take the lead in recruiting...so I hope he brings in some great assistants
In fairness, I don't think many top-rated high school athletes are going to have CU among their top choices until the Buffs start playing in the postseason again, regardless of coach. He did get Mr. Colorado Basketball 2004 Sean Ogirri to come to WSU (who then transferred to Wyoming within a year of Boyle leaving), and being a local guy maybe Boyle can at least keep the top guy each year from leaving the state (Fazekas, Bouldin) and sell him on making an impact close to home.
This is a very fair post. I agree with it.
Great comment.....when there is a Colorado guy worth keeping, we need to get him. Imagine Bouldin and Fazekas and their impact on CU Basketball. It would have been great.
Mark Turgeon think's he'll be successful recruiting. From Denver Post:
"Tad is the whole package," longtime friend and colleague Texas A&M coach Mark Turgeon told The Denver Post. "You've got guys that can recruit and aren't great coaches. And you've got guys that are great coaches but aren't great recruiters. He's great with alumni, booster clubs and all those things you need to do to be successful. He started in the business world and switched to the basketball world. He knows how to do it all. I think he is as well-rounded as there is out there."
Hope he is right. Bisonic is right, we need to improve recruiting and get better athletes in here if we want to be contenders in the Big 12.
I think the best way to recruit at Colorado is to win first. We cannot afford a coach that will be able to recruit kids to CU. The only way a cheap guy gets blue chippers to CU is by cheating. We don't want that. I truly think our focus should be on an X's and O's guy instead of someone we think can recruit. Whether Tad fits that bill, I don't know. We need a guy that can coach up lesser recruits. When life deals you lemons...
There has to be a balance. One of the main reasons Bzdelik hired McClain was because he was not a big fan of recruiting and did not enjoy it. If your head coach is not willing to put in the work on the recruiting trail, there will be issues.
That's surprising. If the newspaper ever calls me to inquire my opinion of a best-buddy, I'd probably tell them he's an asshole. :huh:
Hey, if the shoe fits......:smile2:
Let's let this one play out and see what we get. Boyle has proven he can win. He hasn't won at the BigXII level but frankly neither have either of the other two candidates. I wanted Dunlap, his past experience as a winner at D2, an NBA assistant, and as the lead assistant for some winning major conference programs appeal to me. The question for me is how much did he want this job. He is a great character guy but at the same time kind of flaky.
I know that a lot of people wanted McClain and I would not have been upset with him either. My question on him is once he had Wyoming going, why did it seem to fall off enough that he ended up losing his job and if he is that great a candidate why hasn't he gotten a shot someplace else?
Boyle has no experience coaching at this level but he did play for a winner at this level and coached under some top guys, he knows what it takes. He also as has been stated by others here took a program that was dead in a backwater and turned it into a winner.
Recruiting is the lifeblood of any program but recruits don't mean much if you don't do anything with them (Mr. Patton, Mr. Ricardo Patton please pick up the white courtesy phone.) On the other hand recruits listen to winners. A lot of coaches with lousy personalities representing schools that didn't have much to offer have reeled in big recruits with one simple line "Come to my school and win." Boyle of the three has in my mind the highest risk but also far and away the highest potential to be a big winner. CU can't afford any more mediocre, maybe we'll make the tourney every couple of years coaches.
I like the hire.
Given that most of us were excited about the Hawk hire, maybe there is a glimmer of hope with Boyle.
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