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splitting up the b12

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Liver, Feb 22, 2010.

  1. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    maybe the p10 and b12 have just decided to split up the b12? interesting to think about it... i wonder if they take all 12 teams or some get left behind. if they were to add them all, it would put them at 33 teams... maybe they just leave 1 b12 team behind (cough, cough KJUCO STATE, cough, cough).

    or, maybe, they cherry pick... atm, ut, CU, and one more to the p10... mizzery, ku, and the fuskers to the b10...
     
  2. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    NO to UT. Absolutely, positively NOT. I don't care what else the Pac decides to do, but I want no part of that conference killing machine. I don't get the love affair with them. Yes, they bring a lot of TV sets, but those same sets would be delivered with A&M and OU. I can live with those two, not with UT. UT, the Silver Surfer of college sports.
     
  3. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    @sack,

    first of all, you are letting your personal feelings interfere with your judgment. if ut leaves the b12, our tv money is going to be hugely diminished. that's bad for CU. this is all about tv markets. this is a fact and no matter how many times you complain about ut the conference-killer (and i happen to agree with that, for the most part), the fact won't change.

    second, you are presuming that ut in the p10 would be as powerful as it is in the b12 and was in the swc. there is no guarantee of that. for one thing, the way the voting is set up in the p10, ut would be less powerful. also, the center of gravity for the conference is the west coast, even with the weight that ut brings to the table. usc, ucla, stan, and cal, among others, can hold their own against ut, politically and economically (at least, relatively). it would not be my preference to have ut join the p10 for the same reasons you don't want them there, but i am worried that we could be the ones left without a chair when the music stops if the p10 decides to first expand with ut and atm.

    if ut leaves, the b12 is not going to be the place you want to be if you want to try to remain competitive in big time football.
     
  4. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    Lets not kid ourselves. We haven't been competitive in big time football since 2002. Putting UT in a position where they can make even more money doesn't get us any closer to that goal.
     
  5. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    getting cast aside as part of an also-ran conference of leftovers who will then draw a seriously diminished amount of tv revenue puts us closer to the goal in your view, sack?

    does the phrase, "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" mean anything to you?

    ut is going to succeed, with or without us. we need to do what is best for CU, money-wise, even if you personally have to hold your nose because ut will continue to do well.
     
  6. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    If UT is going to succeed with or without us, I'd prefer it be WITHOUT.
     
  7. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    If UT is going to succeed with or without us, I'd prefer to leave them out of the equation and go where CU can succeed too. If that happens to be the same place UT lands, so be it. UT may be a conference killer, I don't disagree. But I'll be damned if I want to stick around while their last victim rots. I'd rather go to the conference that will make more money with UT there and see what happens. There just may be a decent chance that the Pac-10 has the kryptonite that can keep UT under control in a program like U$C and a whole conference full of teams that would sooner follow them than the wHorns...
     
  8. sackman

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    We all thought the combination of OU and NU (and us - at the time we were pretty good) would be strong enough to keep UT in check. That didn't work out so well.
     
  9. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I don't know if UT would have been a conference killer if we'd just added them and TAMU to go to 10. If we'd been smart and done that, we'd be a stronger conference today and looking to add the SLC and ABQ markets to get a better TV deal. Baylor and Texas Tech brought us no additional revenue while putting half the conference votes in Texas and Oklahoma. That mistake was the conference killer, imo, not UT.
     
  10. Hugegroove

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    Junction -

    Again, I gotta side with Sacky on this. I don't pretend to know how any conference can keep UT in check, but wherever they land be it good, bad, or indifferent they carry alot of bagage with them that nobody wants. I doubt they (UT) would agree to a pre-nup agreement of sorts and play by the rules.
     
  11. Mr. Babar

    Mr. Babar I have no elephant books Club Member

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Couldn't have said it any better - tired of Texas.
     
  12. PhillyBuff

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    I am with Liver on this. UT negotiated a great deal for them and the north members didnt realize that until a few years into the deal. Now the north is aware and things have to change. I do not see how UT can have that much leverage in the Pac-10 or Big-10 if they move. Those 2 conferences will not allow 1 member to dicate the direction of the conference. We basically made a new conference in 1996 and after a few years, Texas was running it. Now the situation is Texas being added to an existing conference and really can't bring 3 other votes with it. If Texas wants to be a controlling big dog in a conference, then the Big 12 will be the Southwest Conference again once a few teams leave (CU, Mizzou etc).

    Texas will make that decision, but they won't have control like they do now if they join another conference.
     
  13. Junction

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    Oh, that bothers me too. Nothing would make me happier than CU getting a Pac-10 invite and UT ending up pretty much anywhere BUT the Pac-12. I don't want CU and UT in the same orbit any more. But if UT goes to the Pac-1(?), the remnants of the Big XII will be sucking hind teat. At best it becomes the Big East. Do I want CU to stay there in the rotting corpse of the Big XII just because we're afraid to share a league with UT again? No, I don't. The difference between a Pac-1(?) with UT and a Big X(?) without UT is going to be so immense on a revenue basis that I can't possibly see how CU would be better off in that scenario...
     
  14. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    Don't want any part of Texas. In fact I don't want any part of the Big 12, I want the Pac!
     

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