I know, but I can't really think what else it would be. That's how it's been with my friends (and work) so I assume it's like that for a lot of others. Nothing wrong with taking a 4 hour study break, that's what I did.
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Student tickets for KU game
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I know, but I can't really think what else it would be. That's how it's been with my friends (and work) so I assume it's like that for a lot of others. Nothing wrong with taking a 4 hour study break, that's what I did.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Like anything else you can make excuses for just about anything, students could be studying instead of going to the KU game after all. Just a matter of priorities.
cubuffs85
Active Member
It's more to me, how EVERYONE is having these excuses. It's one thing when someone has a test the next day, I get it. People have their priorities, not everyone is such a hardcore CU or basketball fan like us here.
Like I was saying last week when you dismissed it, this stuff matters in terms of perception. If GameDay comes down to a coin-flip crowd support -- both quantity and quality will factor into the decision.
cubuffs85
Active Member
The Broncos excuse will be kind of hard this time around since it's a road game and it doesn't conflict.
A pretty solid excuse will be that we are on break...
So on the other side of the coin, how is Stanford and UCLA doing for attendance? I know UCLA's first game had awful attendance.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
We should aspire to be something far more than our peers in a major conference notorious for its crappy support.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Yeah for you guys sure, especially those who don't live within an hour and have already left sure, but for non-students not so much.
I'm not saying that, but if the scenario that 85 describes happens, how would Stanford/UCLA fare versus CU/Zona in terms of attendance%?
cubuffs85
Active Member
Haven't checked, but like Cville said, shouldn't we inspire to be better?
We absolutely should
BuffaloSoldier76
Unsound Meat
I'd worry more about the perception that Coach Boyle is left with. If the students and other season ticket holders want to treat CU Basketball like a small time program and not show up, it makes decisions a lot easier for him to make later on when a school, student body, and alumni base that takes its basketball seriously comes calling. People seem to only want to show up for the big games. Those are going to be harder and harder to come by at home if we keep having success since other teams won't want to come here. If you have tickets, go to the games or find someone who will if you just can't do it.
For some perspective, as much as we're bitching here (and I am not happy with the crowd support)... we are drawing about 3x the crowd for these early non-conference games than we did about 5 years ago. Where we seemed to have really lost momentum is with the student section.
CVilleBuff
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Still waiting on the other Pac-12 numbers to come in, but of other major conference teams who played tonight:
Syracuse (vs St. Francis) 23,117 (holds 35,012)
Michigan State (vs Portland) 14,797 (capacity)
Tennessee (vs The Citadel) 13,394 (holds 21,678)
Arkansas (vs SMU) 11,455 (holds 19,368)
Alabama (vs Stillman) 9,903 (holds 15,316)
Duke (vs UNC-Asheville) 9,314 (capacity)
Colorado (vs Arkansas State) 8,204 (holds 11,064)
Florida (vs Southern) 8,002 (holds 11,548)
Texas (vs Houston Baptist) 6,943 (holds 16,755)
Wake Forest (vs Jacksonville) 5,619 (holds 14,407)
Texas Tech (vs Texas Southern) 4,682 (holds 15,000)
Virginia Tech (vs VMI) 4,162 (holds 9,847)
Rutgers (vs Canisius) 2,106 (holds 8,000)
cubuffs85
Active Member
Buffnik just posted the article about the Boyles buying a $3 million home, so I'm not too concerned. The thing is if/when we do better, more people will go to those "smaller" games since that will be their only chance to go to a game. They obviously held back somewhat on season tickets for this reason because they don't want people getting complacent. There's a fine line between season ticket sales necessary (there's only going to be so much of a walk-up crowd) versus keeping something available for the run-of-the-mill fan.
cubuffs85
Active Member
For those of you who went or watched on TV, how many people do you think were actually there? (I listened to the game on radio)
About 6k.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Yeah I mentioned that earlier, I've seen this in sports, you're never satisfied you always want more.
I think many students aren't going to show up until conference play. JMO
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
The concern is the student section numbers seem to be heading the wrong way over the previous year or two. Very odd time for this to be happening considering this is the most hyped CU squad in years, possibly ever. Even for conference play, we're likely going to have to put up with a crappy student showing for the early games over Christmas break. That's a bummer considering one of them is an absolutely huge game against Oregon.
BuffaloSoldier76
Unsound Meat
Agreed, it was maybe 6k. Very weak attendance tonight.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Added Arizona and UCLA, still no word on Cal. There you have it. If we want to think we're approaching Arizona, there's a reminder that there's a long way to go.
Syracuse (vs St. Francis) 23,117 (holds 35,012)
Michigan State (vs Portland) 14,797 (capacity)
Arizona (vs Fairleigh Dickinson) 13,529 (holds 14,545)
Tennessee (vs The Citadel) 13,394 (holds 21,678)
Arkansas (vs SMU) 11,455 (holds 19,368)
Alabama (vs Stillman) 9,903 (holds 15,316)
Duke (vs UNC-Asheville) 9,314 (capacity)
Colorado (vs Arkansas State) 8,204 (holds 11,064)
Florida (vs Southern) 8,002 (holds 11,548)
Texas (vs Houston Baptist) 6,943 (holds 16,755)
Wake Forest (vs Jacksonville) 5,619 (holds 14,407)
UCLA (vs Sacramento State) 5,489 (holds 12,829)
Texas Tech (vs Texas Southern) 4,682 (holds 15,000)
Virginia Tech (vs VMI) 4,162 (holds 9,847)
Rutgers (vs Canisius) 2,106 (holds 8,000)
Syracuse (vs St. Francis) 23,117 (holds 35,012)
Michigan State (vs Portland) 14,797 (capacity)
Arizona (vs Fairleigh Dickinson) 13,529 (holds 14,545)
Tennessee (vs The Citadel) 13,394 (holds 21,678)
Arkansas (vs SMU) 11,455 (holds 19,368)
Alabama (vs Stillman) 9,903 (holds 15,316)
Duke (vs UNC-Asheville) 9,314 (capacity)
Colorado (vs Arkansas State) 8,204 (holds 11,064)
Florida (vs Southern) 8,002 (holds 11,548)
Texas (vs Houston Baptist) 6,943 (holds 16,755)
Wake Forest (vs Jacksonville) 5,619 (holds 14,407)
UCLA (vs Sacramento State) 5,489 (holds 12,829)
Texas Tech (vs Texas Southern) 4,682 (holds 15,000)
Virginia Tech (vs VMI) 4,162 (holds 9,847)
Rutgers (vs Canisius) 2,106 (holds 8,000)
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cubuffs85
Active Member
I don't think the product is stale by any means and if anything the lack of football success should be helping here. Last year they were able to ride the momentum of the Pac-12 Tourney. So most students here have already experienced a passion filled season. This isn't a great reason, just trying to justify it. All the #IsitNovemberYet, when does basketball begin (after every football loss). But I guess some just can't get up for the early season games like they could in the past. Maybe it will transfer into conference play (after the rbeak). Hope not.
Here's it sorted by %Capacity:
| Home Team | Away Team | Attendance | Capacity | %Capacity |
| Michigan State | Portland | 14797 | 14797 | 100.00% |
| Duke | UNC-Asheville | 9314 | 9314 | 100.00% |
| COLORADO | Arkansas State | 8204 | 11064 | 74.15% |
| Florida | Southern | 8002 | 11548 | 69.29% |
| Syracuse | St. Francis | 23117 | 35012 | 66.03% |
| Alabama | Stillman | 9903 | 15316 | 64.66% |
| Tennessee | The Citadel | 13394 | 21678 | 61.79% |
| Arkansas | SMU | 11455 | 19368 | 59.14% |
| UCLA | Sacramento State | 5489 | 12829 | 42.79% |
| Virginia Tech | VMI | 4162 | 9847 | 42.27% |
| Texas | Houston Baptist | 6943 | 16755 | 41.44% |
| Wake Forest | Jacksonville | 5619 | 14407 | 39.00% |
| Texas Tech | Texas Southern | 4682 | 15000 | 31.21% |
| Rutgers | Canisius | 2106 | 8000 | 26.33% |
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Both ways have their merit, but you'll have a hard time convincing anyone that Syracuse's 23,117 is less impressive than our 8,204 simply because of % filled. We can add Arizona's 93% capacity in there now.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Syracuse is more impressive, any hoops program that can get 15k+ for a cupcake game, gets major credit, regardless of capacity.
27K is extremely impressive, and I would have them ahead of CU if I was ranking the attendance in the manner you did. I was just curious to see how those schools did percentage wise.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Added Cal, the last remaining Pac-12 school. Weak attendance by the Golden Bears, no surprise there. Arizona shows what the standard is. Can't blame students for going home for Thanksgiving to family and friends they haven't seen in months, but we're seeing a decline (see below).
Syracuse (vs St. Francis) 23,117 (holds 35,012)
Michigan State (vs Portland) 14,797 (capacity)
Arizona (vs Fairleigh Dickinson) 13,529 (holds 14,545)
Tennessee (vs The Citadel) 13,394 (holds 21,678)
Arkansas (vs SMU) 11,455 (holds 19,368)
Alabama (vs Stillman) 9,903 (holds 15,316)
Duke (vs UNC-Asheville) 9,314 (capacity)
Colorado (vs Arkansas State) 8,204 (holds 11,064)
Florida (vs Southern) 8,002 (holds 11,548)
Texas (vs Houston Baptist) 6,943 (holds 16,755)
Wake Forest (vs Jacksonville) 5,619 (holds 14,407)
UCLA (vs Sacramento State) 5,489 (holds 12,829)
Cal (vs Southern Utah) 5,224 (holds 11,877)
Texas Tech (vs Texas Southern) 4,682 (holds 15,000)
Virginia Tech (vs VMI) 4,162 (holds 9,847)
Rutgers (vs Canisius) 2,106 (holds 8,000)
And for comparison to early games last year, here are the attendance numbers so far this year and last year's attendance for November and December home games:
11/10/2013: UT-Martin (8,408)
11/13/2013: Wyoming (9,429)
11/16/2013: Jackson State (9,042)
11/18/2013: Arkansas State (8,204)
last year...
11/09/2012: Wofford (10,611)
11/25/2012: Air Force (10,607)
11/27/2012: Texas Southern (8,325)
12/05/2012: Colorado State (11,708)
12/21/2012: Northern Arizona (10,034)
12/29/2012: Hartford (10,228)
It's clear we're just not pulling what we did last year, at least thus far. Colorado State is obviously a completely different situation, but exclude that and just look elsewhere...we were drawing over 10k for every game except Texas Southern, and that's a lineup of cupcake opponents of the same caliber as this year. We even managed to get over 10k for Northern Arizona and Hartford during the peak of Christmas Break. Let's see what happens against UCSB and Harvard this week, but the early returns are showing a decline. I get that it's well above what it used to be. I was in school when we sucked at basketball. I know what it's like to be in an empty, lifeless Keg game after game after game. This is just a strange time to be witnessing a bit of a dive in attendance, and I'm not convinced it's because CU has suddenly become an Ivy League school this year where everyone is studying their asses off and can't find the time to go to a game for 2 hours.
Syracuse (vs St. Francis) 23,117 (holds 35,012)
Michigan State (vs Portland) 14,797 (capacity)
Arizona (vs Fairleigh Dickinson) 13,529 (holds 14,545)
Tennessee (vs The Citadel) 13,394 (holds 21,678)
Arkansas (vs SMU) 11,455 (holds 19,368)
Alabama (vs Stillman) 9,903 (holds 15,316)
Duke (vs UNC-Asheville) 9,314 (capacity)
Colorado (vs Arkansas State) 8,204 (holds 11,064)
Florida (vs Southern) 8,002 (holds 11,548)
Texas (vs Houston Baptist) 6,943 (holds 16,755)
Wake Forest (vs Jacksonville) 5,619 (holds 14,407)
UCLA (vs Sacramento State) 5,489 (holds 12,829)
Cal (vs Southern Utah) 5,224 (holds 11,877)
Texas Tech (vs Texas Southern) 4,682 (holds 15,000)
Virginia Tech (vs VMI) 4,162 (holds 9,847)
Rutgers (vs Canisius) 2,106 (holds 8,000)
And for comparison to early games last year, here are the attendance numbers so far this year and last year's attendance for November and December home games:
11/10/2013: UT-Martin (8,408)
11/13/2013: Wyoming (9,429)
11/16/2013: Jackson State (9,042)
11/18/2013: Arkansas State (8,204)
last year...
11/09/2012: Wofford (10,611)
11/25/2012: Air Force (10,607)
11/27/2012: Texas Southern (8,325)
12/05/2012: Colorado State (11,708)
12/21/2012: Northern Arizona (10,034)
12/29/2012: Hartford (10,228)
It's clear we're just not pulling what we did last year, at least thus far. Colorado State is obviously a completely different situation, but exclude that and just look elsewhere...we were drawing over 10k for every game except Texas Southern, and that's a lineup of cupcake opponents of the same caliber as this year. We even managed to get over 10k for Northern Arizona and Hartford during the peak of Christmas Break. Let's see what happens against UCSB and Harvard this week, but the early returns are showing a decline. I get that it's well above what it used to be. I was in school when we sucked at basketball. I know what it's like to be in an empty, lifeless Keg game after game after game. This is just a strange time to be witnessing a bit of a dive in attendance, and I'm not convinced it's because CU has suddenly become an Ivy League school this year where everyone is studying their asses off and can't find the time to go to a game for 2 hours.
cubuffs85
Active Member
I can agree here they should've given more notice.
cubuffs85
Active Member
I don't even think it's the ANNOUNCED numbers as much as the ACTUAL ones. I don't think the enthusasism was there for the cupcake part of the schedule like last year. While this year might have higher expectations, last year was the first year, where it was exciting from the beginning of the year.
Studying is just a smokescreen, since no one is going to say "How could you choose studying over basketball." If the game is important enough to people, they'll show up. People still had to study last year.
The big thing to me is this was the first year we sold out of season tickets, so they were doing much better on single game (and possibly mini-game packages) last year.