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Targeting and Ejection

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Uncle Ken, Sep 12, 2015.

  1. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    I was at the game, and saw it live, and then 20 times on the jumbo.

    Is there an element of targeting that I don't fully understand (likely)? Was that a reasonable personal foul and ejection?

    I get that the receiver was vulnerable. But there was no leading with the helmet, and the receiver wasn't hit in the head region either.

    What gives? Give me fair critical analysis that convinces me that was a good call.
     
  2. HuskerHater

    HuskerHater Club Member Club Member

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    I don't think you're going to find one. Looked clean to me.
     
  3. SINKRATZ

    SINKRATZ Club Member Club Member

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    Tough call. You could hear the helmet pop at full speed. In replay it looked like he tried to aim for the receivers chest, but caught a little of his facemask too. I think it's a case where had the receiver gotten right back up he wouldn't have been ejected.

    I felt for Laguda, it sure didn't look like anything intentionally malicious.
     
  4. chitownbuff

    chitownbuff Club Member Club Member

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    I was literally 5 rows up on the ~20 yard line, amidst UMASS fans, and they admitted that the call was bs.
     
  5. Shldr2Shldr

    Shldr2Shldr Club Member Club Member

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    He grazed the facemask. By the exact letter of the rule, it was correct. It's bull**** and we wouldn't be called for it if we weren't Colorado.

    He launched up (had to, receiver was in the air), led with the helmet, and made helmet to helmet contact.

    Good newa, his dq was for the 2nd half only and he will be eligible against csu
     
  6. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I don't understand that call. If it is a penalty, then it's a bad rule. Because the next time a CU defensive back is in that situation, he'll be coached to destroy the WR's knees and avoid the penalty. How's that for player safety?
     
  7. Shldr2Shldr

    Shldr2Shldr Club Member Club Member

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    Agreed. They need to take into account where contact initiates (the chest in this case) and position of the receiver at time of launch. If a defender I'd air born, and the wr ducks or twists or whatever, how is that the defender's fault?
     
  8. FChairbanks

    FChairbanks muthaka slayer Club Member

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    it was a good clean football play. the game has changed though, and the refs are always going to err on the side of protection. just a fact of life in today's college football.
     
  9. SBG

    SBG Formerly known as EFNMB Club Member Junta Member

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    Calling it was fine. I thought it was targeted at first. Then I saw the replays. It should have been overturned. Textbook hit. Bad call.
     
  10. bombay

    bombay Club Member Club Member

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    Good hard clean hit.
     
  11. FChairbanks

    FChairbanks muthaka slayer Club Member

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    Agreed.i have no idea how the call made it through review.
     
  12. BuffLuKe

    BuffLuKe Club Member Club Member

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    It's supposed to be dangerous over the middle. That's where it was yes? I was listening, didn't see it.
     
  13. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    There was nothing about that hit that was a penalty. None. You can try and rationalize it, but that's not a penalty, it was a picture perfect hit.
     
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  14. SBG

    SBG Formerly known as EFNMB Club Member Junta Member

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    Yeah and up to the hit the dude was wide open. Our guy had to sprint to get to him and it was nearly too late, but also timed perfectly.
     
  15. SINKRATZ

    SINKRATZ Club Member Club Member

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    "No player shall target and initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, fist, elbow or shoulder. When in question, it is a foul. "

    His helmet did make contact with the facemask of the receiver which would be considered the head or neck area. In any case, I think it's the last sentence of that rule that is key - when in question, it is a foul. You might disagree with the rule, but by this definition I think you can argue it's a penalty.
     
  16. FChairbanks

    FChairbanks muthaka slayer Club Member

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    I will be disappointed if we don't take that penalty...every ****ing time.
     
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  17. L Buff

    L Buff Commissar of the Albuffs Collective Left Club Member

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    You may be correct ... I still think it was a lousy call, especially after it was reviewed. But fortunately, other than losing Laguda for the game, it didn't effect the ultimate outcome due to the INT in the endzone.
     
  18. zbuff

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    I think someone said in another thread a while back - we're approaching flag football. If you can't make a legal tackle, what's the point? Yet some yahoo in a booth had the benefit of replay and ejected Laguda. A penalty would be bad enough, but an ejection? The PAC-12 guy said "I don't like anything about that call."
     
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  19. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    He hit him in the chest with his shoulder. The WR was not defenseless. All this is is more flag happy bull**** by the refs. That was a textbook hit, if you want to call that a penalty then you might as well play flag football. Perfect hit and perfect timing.
     
  20. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    The ejection part of the punishment is dumb.
     
  21. lawdogg

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    Questionable call, but the team responded the way they needed to.
     
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  22. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Best part of the win.
     
  23. BehindEnemyLines

    BehindEnemyLines beware the habu Club Member

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    Sorry Duff, I can't agree with this. The suspension is about the only thing that can be affective as punishment for unpaid players.

    I don't want the game to devolve into some lightweight version. It's a physical game and I enjoy big hits. However I agree that helmet to helmet contact has to be controlled for the safety and health of the players.
     
  24. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Make it a spot foul. Ejection for a second infraction in one game.
     
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  25. SBG

    SBG Formerly known as EFNMB Club Member Junta Member

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    If the guy has his head down and leads with it I don't mind the ejection. These guys aren't professionals getting paid and injuries should be avoided at all costs.

    But our guy did NOT have his helmet down.
     
  26. BehindEnemyLines

    BehindEnemyLines beware the habu Club Member

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    I wouldn't against that as a rule. I do think that with all the media and medical community pressure we won't see the ncaa ease up on their current standards.
     
  27. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    Ejection is fine if hit is intentionally malicious. This was not an intentionally malicious hit, and the refs knew that from the replay.
     
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  28. DBT

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    I haven't seen the play. If that is the way the rule is worded, it opens the call up to a lot of subjectivity. What is the "head or neck area" exactly"? The sternum, for instance, is only a couple of inches from the neck. They need to put a dashed line on the uniforms indicating the "head or neck area" for cryin' out loud.

    Face it. This is all about concussions and I get that part of it. They figure it's better to err on the side of safety, I reckon.
     
  29. White_Rabbit

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    I thought it was pretty weak, but that's football nowadays. I don't really like it, but I'm also sitting at home on the couch and not getting carted off the field.
     
  30. BehindEnemyLines

    BehindEnemyLines beware the habu Club Member

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    Don't disagree. I saw the replay and it appeared that Laguda moved his head and upper body so that the helmet would hit the receivers shoulder. It really didn't look like he "targeted".

    I feel bad for the kid. That was a good play and should have been a good memory from his playing days. Instead, it ended in idiocy.
     

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