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TCU's Patterson: Be careful what you wish for BYU.

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by JimmyBuff, Aug 18, 2010.

  1. JimmyBuff

    JimmyBuff Well-Known Member

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    Wow, what's happening next? Mack 10 crumbling?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5475303
     
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  2. CsquaredCC

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  3. Sexton Hardcastle

    Sexton Hardcastle Club Member Club Member

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  4. UrbanaBuff

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    I'd go Rice over SMU. They bring with them a boatload of academic prestige and an historically awesome baseball team. SMU only brings the stained legacy of good football in the '70s and '80s.

     
  5. ScottyBuff

    ScottyBuff Well-Known Member

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    One thing to consider here:

    The MWC liked the 9-team format. very much.

    When they felt certain that Utah was going to be leaving for the Pac-10 they issued a "pre-emptive" strike by inviting Boise State.

    As expected Utah then left for the Pac.

    Now, the MWC has fired a salvo by bringing in Fresno State and Nevada.

    Was that another pre-emptive strike, or an opening shot in a bigger alignment?

    Is the Big 12-2 taking a look at 2 of the MWC members? New Mexico, TCU, Air Force, BYU? Making the Fresno/Nevada additions a necessity for survival.

    That is a pretty telling statement from Gary Patterson that this could be another pre-emptive strike from the MWC.
     
  6. Sexton Hardcastle

    Sexton Hardcastle Club Member Club Member

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    I can see TCU going Mac10. But AF? NM?
     
  7. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Changes to that conference are going to be about Texas not having to travel. I'm expecting TCU to join. And I'd think that most members would love to kick Iowa State out.
     
  8. mdelpizzo_1

    mdelpizzo_1 My Dixie Wrecked Club Member

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    I can also see TCU joining, but am not so sure about kicking ISU you out. Once they realize they can't reach 20 mil a year they are going to need to get back up to MAC 12 status and have a championship game.
     
  9. boulder77

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    SMU brings the Dallas tv market - stained reputation or not. UH & Rice both in Houston. The name of the game in these things is access to tv sets. While absolutely true, I really don't think the academic reputation will have any weight with the XII Lite (unless you're talking Tech or Kjuco).
     
  10. JimmyBuff

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    Texas brings the Dallas TV market. SMU offers nothing. If the Mack 10 was going to expand, the best thing to do is to add teams from states they don't have a team in already.
     
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    Soon to be renamed the AK47
     
  12. Idot Buff

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    Exactly. Nobody in the Dallas market cares about SMU.
     
  13. Del

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    As a native Texan I can tell you that Jimmy is right on this. The Dallas Market is in this order 1. Texas 2. Oklahoma 3. Tech/Aggie 4. TCU 5. SMU --There was an article in either the Dallas Morning News or Fortworth Star a couple days ago talking about their 100+ million dollar stadium renovation and the official from TCU mentioned how there was even more Tech alumni in Dallas than TCU alumns - its a small school with only about 8-9 thousand kids and they can't even fill up their stadium when they have a top 5 program. They have a situation similar to CSU where they face competition from a pro sports town and from a bigger school(s) with a better program in Texas, Aggie, and Tech-- Just like CSU has to deal with trying to compete with the Broncos and CU for fan interest. If they add TCU it won't be for any added TV sets because they already have the market sewn up. It would be to get the revenue made from the championship game and keep the league relevant the first week in December when everybody else is playing their championship game.
     
  14. CsquaredCC

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    TCU leaving may just be inevitable. However, my biggest takeaway from yesterday is that the MWC is now positioned to absorb the loss of both BYU and TCU and still remain a viable player in college football albeit on a smaller scale. This means the conference is much more stable today than it was two weeks ago. Even if BYU and TCU were to leave - a 9 team conference that includes Boise State, Fresno State, Colorado State, Wyoming, Air Force, New Mexico, UNLV, Nevada, and San Diego State still has a path to a BCS game if you can go unbeaten. While this is clearly not an auto-BCS conference, it is certainly a conference that looks stable, geographically logical, and efficient. That also has the look of a conference that will not get torn apart, if and when, super-conference expansion comes to pass.

    From my standpoint, regardless of what TCU and BYU decide to do, CSU is now in a conference that looks stable and provides them an opportunity to still reach the goals that the administration and Fairchild outlined when taking their jobs.
     
  15. InTheBuff

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    so what your saying is that the MWC remains the same-
     
  16. rodrigo

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    Nice way to look at if your goals are being an afterthought. As far as stable, I'm not so sure any place on the college football landscape can seriously claim that.
     
  17. CsquaredCC

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    Because Boise State is an afterthought right now? I think that is the point. CSU is in a conference that provides them that type of opportunity regardless of what BYU and TCU decide to do.
     
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    I have to hand it to Craig Thompson. I didn't think he'd pull it off, adding Nevada and Frezneck. Bold move on his part.

    So it looks like the MWC will survive after all. And without the big brother (BYU) calling the shots. That's what will eventually kill the Mack 10. The MWC basically told BYU to stick it in their ear. Good for them. No single school should be able to control the fortunes of all the other members of the conference.
     
  19. rodrigo

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    JMO but in two years the CF world will look very different. Judging from what Patterson's intimating it could happen sooner. Boise isn't - and won't be - an afterthought, but how long until they get sick and tired of carrying the rest of a middle-of-the-road conference? Bigger point for you and the rest of Ramnation is that you won't be calling your own shots. You'll be waiting by the phone to find out where you're going to land. I don't intend that as a rip on CSU, just a simple fact.
     
  20. sackman

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    If CSU would just get their act together, they could be a player. But being a player costs money, and that's something that they don't have. Their alumni isn't about to shell out the money necessary, either. Tough spot to be in - knowing where you could be, but also knowing that you'll likely never get there.
     
  21. Bone Buff

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    I still think that conference is in on life support. The Mountain West, which was in questionable financial ground before, completely loses its top market (Nationwide LDS families), and adds two mouths to feed which bring nothing in terms of TV sets.
     
  22. CsquaredCC

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    I think you want to think that, but have no evidence that is in fact the case. The finances are still being worked out. No one knows yet.
     
  23. CsquaredCC

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    I agree and that really is my point. CSU can be a player, but frankly it needs to get its act together and it needs a bit more time. The University made a comittment last year by making a significant upgrade in its practice facilities. Another 1.2 million has also been approved to do further improvements to Hughes Stadium starting next year. They are making efforts, but when you don't see an influx of BCS cash every season it takes time to make needed improvements. The biggest thing CSU has going for it is its location in an area that continues to grow and is only an hour from Denver. The thing to hope for is that when expansion comes around again CSU is in a position to be in that conversation.
     
  24. sackman

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    It would help CSU's case considerably if there were somewhere in the area of 1MM people living along the Northern Front range. Ft. Collins, Greeley, and Loveland currently have less than half that. That's a component to this as well. Boulder is considered a part of the Denver market. Ft. Collins is not. They need to stand on their own. There's certainly plenty of space, so there's room to put those people. Now it's a function of getting in the employers that will attract that kind of growth. You're right that you need more time. You also would benefit from an economic development entity that concentrates specifically on the Northern Front Range. Everything from Johnstown to the Wyoming border should be marketed aggressively. You need buy-in from the local municipalities and county governments, too. It's a huge undertaking, and something that will probably take no less than 20 years to accomplish, even if started today. So yeah, it's not going to be easy.
     
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  26. Darth Snow

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    so what is BYU gonna do?
     
  27. CsquaredCC

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    Agree completely. I think that is why the University has invested time and money in "green energy" research and development. That could be the economic key that continues to spur growth in Northern Colorado and seems to be attracting companies like Vestas and others.
     
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    No idea at this point. If I am a betting man. I think they remain.
     
  29. CUFan

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    If the TV people feel CSU actually has a footing in the Denver TV market, then they will be attractive to a major conference like the Mack 10. It is all about how many TV sets you command when you go get the TV contract. Plus it gives UT and the rest another whipping boy a la Iowa State/Baylor.

    While CSU offers very little in terms of stadium and fans on gameday, I would not be surprised if the Mack 10 wants Denver back. I don't think it would be attractive to the PAC 12 since they already have CU (adding CSU would dilute TV revenue payouts).

    There is a chance this whole thing could play out very well for CSU.

    In regards to MWC being stronger now, that is a joke. If you lose your three best teams (TCU, Utah and BYU), you are only replacing with one (Boise). The rest are nationally garbage.
     
  30. CsquaredCC

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    Don't get me wrong I am not arguing that the MWC is stronger at all - only that it is far more stable. I also do like CSU's position in all this. For the same reasons you think the Mack10 could come calling - I think the Pac12 could do the same. With 45,000 alum in Denver the Pac-12 may want to lock down Colorado all together and not have to worry about another conference in their back yard. Plus the Pac-12 seems to love the in-state/in-conference rivalry games.
     

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