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The AllBuffs Interview With Shocker Hoops

Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by Goose, Nov 14, 2011.

  1. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    When the Puerto Rico Tipoff brackets were announced, AllBuffs was lucky enough to gain a new user in ShockerHoops. SH runs ShockerHoops.net, which is an absolutely amazing blog covering Wichita State Shocker basketball and recently acquired ShockerNet which has been one of the premier Shockers message boards on the internet since 2000. When he’s not dealing with either of the sites, he also maintains a twitter feed that is full of entertainment and – in a move that will endear him to Buffs fans everywhere – will take the occasional shot at Jayhawk and Wildcat fans.

    Luckily for us, ShockerHoops has agreed to sit down with us to discuss the Shockers in the build-up to the Puerto Rico Tipoff in which our Buffs will face the Shockers on November 17[SUP]th[/SUP] at 5:30 pm on ESPNU.

    AllBuffs: Last year the Shockers & Buffs both ended up in NYC for the NIT Final Four. Unlike our Buffs you guys won both of your games to be crowned NIT champions. Does that, combined with the fact that you hung with eventual NCAA champs UConn in the Maui Invitational and only lost to Final Four team VCU by one point, make you think that the Shockers should have been dancing last year or was the NIT the place they belonged?

    ShockerHoops: I think my answer hinges on one word in the question. The word would be "should." Should Wichita State have been selected based on our play? No, we shouldn't have. We didn't put away UCONN, specifically Kemba Walker, we didn't win at San Diego State, we didn't beat VCU at home during the Bracket Busters, and we couldn't beat an energized and hot Indiana State team in our Conference Tournament. Wichita State also lost at home to Southern Illinois in the last half of the season, which really was a horrible loss for the team. Based on all of that, it's no surprise we didn't make it in the tournament. Especially since the selection committee even kept Missouri State out of the tournament, and they were the MVC regular season champions.

    Back to the one word that changes the question drastically. If you change "should" to "could" then most definitely I do think we could have held our own in the tournament. When you go through a list of teams that we beat to win the NIT, its actually quite an established list of BCS teams that in their own right could have been in the NCAA Tournament. That paired with our play against two final four teams, UCONN & VCU, I think there is definitely enough support to say that we could have very well have made a dent in the bracket if we got our chance. That does leave a tiny taste of bitterness in my mouth, but in general, Valley teams have become familiar with being slighted by the selection committee on a consistent basis. Out of all the teams in the country that didn't make the tournament last year, I would have to mention Missouri State as being slighted the hardest. They won their first Valley regular season championship ever, played good hoops at the end of the year, and still didn't receive an at-large bid. I think the MVC as a whole, is ready to explode this year, and hopefully send 2-3 teams to the dance.

    AllBuffs: Overall, what is the effect of the NIT on Wichita State? Have you noticed an increase in fan support/ticket sales?

    ShockerHoops: Yes I have seen an increase in general "buzz" about the Shockers after the NIT victory. As for ticket sales, we have one of the strongest and most loyal fan bases in the country, and our consistent sellouts are something to back up that claim. Ticket sales haven't increased because of it, but we sell out nearly 100% of our home games to begin with. I have seen a lot of recruits talk about the NIT Championship, so I would specifically point to that as being one of the biggest perks of winning the NIT. Anytime a mid-major program can play on national television and be exposed to thousands of people, it's extremely helpful for a program that may only be on national television a handful of times through the regular season. It definitely allows recruits, and even potential recruits that the staff hasn't even contacted yet, to watch what Shocker basketball is all about. They can see on TV what Koch Arena is like, they can see Marshall's system in place, and can picture themselves in that environment. Going deep in either tournament has benefits. Obviously the NCAA is more coveted than the NIT, but the exposure is still similar.

    AllBuffs: What would you say the Shockers strengths are heading in to this season?

    ShockerHoops: Our strengths are definitely the veteran play of our guards and small forwards. Garrett Stutz our senior center is a strength, as well as the coaching staff that we have. We return Joe Ragland at point, Toure Murry who is a shooting guard / small forward combo, David Kyles who is a high rising three point sniper that is absolutely explosive, and Ben Smith at small forward who was a good bench player last year and he has really developed over the off season into a very solid overall player.

    Garrett Stutz is the key to our success. If we can dish it into him and get solid points around the rim, it really opens our offense up to kick it out to the perimeter. Which is exactly the system Coach Marshall runs, which is the four out, one in motion offense. Coach Marshall has established his style of play after four years at Wichita State, and all the players have bought into his system. They are really focusing on the system and not individual statistics for each player. The players have bought into the idea that it's all about the score at the end of the game and not individual performance, as you can tell by the distribution of points in each game. The points are really spread around the roster. How our assistants work to develop our new talent, to refine their skills, as well as progress them through the system will be crucial to our success of bringing in young guys off the bench.

    AllBuffs: What would you say the Shockers weaknesses are?

    ShockerHoops: Our weaknesses really consist on three levels. First the ability to establish the power forward position. Who will play there, and how they work into the offensive scheme, as well as the post play in general are weaknesses. We lost our starting center and power forward from last year, and I think that Stutz stepping into the role of starting center won't bemuch of an issue. Where the issue begins, is how do we keep pressure off him, with our power forwards. Wichita State's back up center, Ehimen Orukpe is a7'0'' athletic beast. He's been a real question mark on this team for such a long time. He hasn't developed as a player as fast as anyone has liked, but there are moments when his potential will shine through and you just wish it would be a permanent change rather than just flashes of greatness. If he can come through with solid minutes, it will be great for Stutz to get a breather now and again. How the Shockers develop at the power forward position is huge. We picked up two JUCO transfers this year in Carl Hall and James Anacreon. They're veteran players who know big time basketball, it just depends on how they develop within the 4-1 motion. Carl Hall hasn't played the 4-1 before from my understanding, and he's having to get used to playing further away from the hoop. If he can get comfortable, he could go for a double-double on a consistent basis. He's an absolute rebounding machine. James Anacreon is a high energy guy that can jump out of the gym. He'll be a great defensive force, and will electrify the crowd a couple times a game. He missed our trip to Brazil because he was a late addition to the team, and you can tell that he's a step or two behind the other players in early season development.

    The second level would be the new addition of seven new players to the team. Five of the seven are true freshmen. Depending on who gets a red-shirt and who will actually suit up on the bench will be a deciding factor on where this team ends up at the end of the year. If we can get solid minutes out of a few in relief of the starters, you could end up seeing Wichita State make a real run at a Top 25 ranking at some point during the season. Our freshman power forward Jake White is the most likely candidate to make an impact this year in my opinion. He really has impressed me the couple times I've seen him hoop this off season. He has a great work ethic and a silky sweet jump shot that is hard to find in a lot of mid-major conferences. I think that he really has the ability to make a difference this season, and will be a star by the time he's an upperclassmen.

    The third level would be avoiding the pitfalls of last year where we couldn't capitalize on key games that will make or break a season. If we can't capitalize on our non conference schedule, it will be detrimental to attaining an at-large bid for the tournament. The Valley is one of the toughest conferences to play in, year in and year out, and all the teams know this. The teams in conference end up beating up on each other, and anything can happen at the conference tournament, just like last year when Indiana State upset the top two seeds of the tournament in Wichita State and Missouri State. WSU has to capitalize on the non conference or hope we can get through the gauntlet that is the MVC regular season and conference tournament.

    AllBuffs: You guys have five new freshmen and two JUCO signings. Do you expect much help from them this year or will you be relying on the fact that you return five of your top six scorers from last season?

    ShockerHoops: I don't think you expected me to write a novel on each question, but I sort of answered part of this question in question four about our power forward issues and our JUCO players. I think that a team can get by on just a starting line up alone, but only for a while. Having depth to a roster is a substantial bonus for a team's ability to go deep into a season and be successful. If we can develop the new talent, and get them to become comfortable with the system that Coach Marshall has in place, then great things could happen this season. Looking at Wichita State's run through the NIT last year, our ability to constantly send in reserves to give our starters a rest, was key to going deep in the tournament. I think that some of the competition we played, had better "star" players than Wichita State, but we had better depth, and a stronger team overall. Which can be solely rested on the shoulders of Coach Marshall and his ability to develop talent.

    AllBuffs: Do you feel the NCAA tournament is a realistic goal this year? Do you think you’ll have to be Missouri Valley Conference champions to reach that goal or could an at-large bid do it?

    ShockerHoops: I think that the NCAA tournament is definitely a possible reality for Wichita State. If the team can remain focused late into the season, start strong out of conference, and remain healthy, then I think we do have the talent and schedule to impress the committee to give us an at-large bid. It would be nice to secure our destiny in a conference tournament victory, but that is such a tough feat to accomplish. It really is a toss up for half the conference to legitimately win the conference tournament each year. All a team has to do is get hot, and they could be dancing, and leaving the top two or three teams behind at home or in a lower tier post season tournament. I'll remain positive and try to be realistic through the season, but I do think there is a very good chance you will see WSU playing in March Madness.

    AllBuffs: Toure’ Murry is a player that is known very well around the MVC, but most Buffs fans probably haven’t heard of him. What can you tell us about Murry’s game?

    ShockerHoops: Toure Murry is a 6'5'' 205 lbs. combo guard. He is a very versatile player, and has played minutes at point guard, shooting guard, as well as small forward when we run a smaller, faster line up. He has a wide skill set that allows him to play each of those positions well. Toure plays hard all the time, and really shines in transition as well as driving to the rim to either dunk it home or kick it out to an open player. He is a big guy and uses his body well on the defensive end. His defensive ability is definitely the strongest part of his game. He is our go to guy when matching up man to man if we're playing a team with a stand out star. He's played defense on a handful of NBA players through the past couple years and has done as good a job as anyone could ask of him. Toure needs to stay healthy for us to be as good as we can, and if he does remain healthy, look for him to be in the running for MVC PoY. Rivals actually just named him the #9 "do everything" player in the entire NCAA. He really is quite the utility player for us.

    AllBuffs: This summer, you guys got a bit of a national boost when Perry Ellis listed you as one of his final four teams along with national powers Kansas, Kansas State and Kentucky before committing to Kansas. You guys were also in the running for a SG that CU was looking at in Buddy Hield who eventually committed to Oklahoma. Even though you didn’t land either of them, it appears you guys are on the upswing. Can you tell us a little bit about how your recruiting is going overall right now?

    ShockerHoops: Our recruiting has been absolutely superb under Gregg Marshall. He has a really strong assistant coaching staff that have a lot of "ins" around the country. Coach Ford who is a new coach this year has connections with Illinois, so look for WSU to pull more and more Illinois talent in the future. Our 2012 point guard Fred VanVleet is out of Rockford Illinois which is near the Chicago area. We also added Coach Heiar who was a head coach at Chipola which is a top tier JUCO school that is a recruiting machine for D-I level talent. Coach Heiar is well known and respected around the JUCO scene, and we have picked up some really strong JUCO talent with his help, recruiting Carl Hall, James Anacreon, and Cleanthony Early. All three have been given national praise for their careers in their respective JUCO's. Marshall recruits very strong, and he has an ability to evaluate talent that others can't see as quickly. I mentioned Fred VanVleet earlier, but we were in the mix early to get him. Look for him to have an explosive senior season this year and possibly crack the Top 100 lists on national recruiting sites. I do think that Wichita State is becoming more and more of a recognizable program with recruits on a national level.

    AllBuffs: Where do you see Wichita State three years from now?

    ShockerHoops: That's the toughest question you've asked so far. I think Wichita State will have made the tournament a couple times, and will be on an upswing from losing this year's returning starters. In three years, players such as Ron Baker, Jake White, Cleanthony Early, and Tekele Cotton will all be upperclassmen, and if they develop into strong players like I'm hoping they do, we could see the highest level of basketball that Wichita State has produced since the 80's. If Marshall recruits like he does, and increases exposure through success, then I think we could even be at the level to be in the mix for players who might be potential early exit players to the NBA. If we can get a mix of one or two NBA level talents that leave the program early, with a mix of very strong four year players, then I think Wichita State could be a top 25 team under Marshall.

    All of this hinges on the fact that Gregg is still our coach. If he does stay for three more years, I think everything will be better in the future than it is now. It is the unknown of being in a conference that is traditionally a stepping stone for coaching talent. If we can keep Marshall for future years, I think he would be very comparable to long time Valley coach Dana Altman who left Creighton recently for Oregon. Altman was with Creighton for 15 or 16 seasons, and they flourished under him. It's really hard to keep a continual trend upwards as a program if you're constantly cycling coaches out. Basketball and college sports in general tend to be cyclical for teams, good for a few years, down a few, then back up. It's exponentially harder to remain at a constant level of success if you're cycling coaches every 5-6 years. That is the key for our upward mobility.

    AllBuffs: Last but not least, how is the Puerto Rico Tipoff going to play out? Will one of our two teams be cutting down the nets when it’s all said & done?

    ShockerHoops: You saved the hardest questions for the last two I see. I won't predict a tournament winner because I think that the tournament is going to be tightly contested in the semifinals and the final. There are a lot of strong teams in this tournament, with a good mix of strong BCS teams such as Alabama, and Purdue, as well as a few strong mid-majors with Iona and Wichita State. You can't count out Temple and Western Michigan either, both have strong teams, with a lot of returning players.

    I think Wichita State wins the match up with Colorado. I think it will be a pretty consistent victory all game long, with Wichita State gradually pulling away. I think the ages show through for Colorado and there are quite a few mental mistakes in the game that WSU will capitalize on. Who controls the board and tempo will win the game. If Roberson can cause problems and snatch up boards away from Carl Hall and Garrett Stutz, then I think CU has a chance to upset the Shockers. I think it will be fairly high scoring, mid to low 80's for the winner.

    Wichita State goes on to play Alabama and plays a close game in the NIT Championship rematch. I think the Shockers win by a basket or two going down to the wire. Colorado will go on to beat a down Maryland team and advance in the left side of the bracket to play their final game against Iona. The Buffs will play a strong game, but Iona will pull ahead later in the game based on the play of their veteran team. Colorado ends up 1-2 in the tournament.

    Wichita State will advance to the finals against Purdue. I'm not sure who will win this game. It will be a battle the whole game. The tournament has a great group of teams playing, and it will be entertaining for all the fans. I think that it will be a very good indicator at where these teams will end up at the end of the year as well. I think you will see solid performances by Iona, Purdue, WMU, Alabama and Wichita State. I think Colorado fans will see the potential of their future teams, and can remain positive going into the rest of the season that you will lose some, but have the ability to upset some teams in the Pac-12.


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  2. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    That's one hell of an opponent preview.

    Can't wait for Puerto Rico to tip off. This is a big early season game for both programs.

    Shocker needs some rep for this one. Goose, too, for continuing to bring us great hoops content.
     
  3. ShockerHoops

    ShockerHoops Well-Known Member

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    Goose is the man. Such a great list of questions he gave me to talk about. Imagine how much I could talk about basketball if I had a few beers in me.

    I really need to make the drive and catch a Buffs game sometime.
     
  4. Aargh

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    Greetings from Wichita. I'd like to add a few observations that seem to have occurred after ShockerHoops wrote his piece.

    First - you have a great coach. When Boyle left WSU to take over at Northern Colorado, it really affected WSU's play and recruiting. I feel it's fortunate WSU gets to face Colorado before Boyle gets his team fully manned and schooled.

    WSU had a game against Charleston Southern. 2 nights before WSU's game against them, CSU had Kansas State down 12 at the half. KSU finally took a lead with about 2 minutes left and won by 5. WSU had CSU down 42 midway through the second half and then pretty much turned the game over to newcomers, Fr, and walkons. We were able to get some info out of that game.

    I noticed a comment about Roberson not blocking out. If that continues, it will hurt. Carl Hall (WSU's 6'7" PF - JuCo AA - ranked the #4 JuCo in the nation last year) looks like a double-digit rebounding guy. He's extremely active on the offensive glass. He's a very physical player and is absolutely not afraid of contact. WSU fans were expecting good things from him. In the one game he's played, it looks like he's possibly better than we had hoped.

    Ehimen Orukpe is WSU's backup center. He's a 7' Nigerian who can run with guards in transition and can jump out of the gym. He's raw on offense and isn't much of a scoring threat unless he's allowed to dunk. On D, he just doesn't give up points in the paint. Orukpe is around 255 pounds and built like a rock. Shots close to the hoop are either blocked or altered. Garrett Stutz, the 7' starting post player, has been prone to foul problems, so you'll probably get some good looks at Orukpe.

    Toure Murry, WSU's all-around stat stuffer who does a little of everything and is a contender for the MVC PoY, will not be 100%. In the Shocker Madness open scrimmage, he tried to dunk on Hall. There was a collision and Murry bruised some ribs and partially collapsed a lung. He's only practiced 2 days in the last 2 weeks and only played 12 minutes in the opener. He got whacked in the ribs in that game, which didn't help his recovery.

    Ben Smith (6'4" Sr) plays PF when opponents go small or go to really quick lineups. He normally plays SF or even SG. According to Ken Pomeroy's rankings, he was the #11 player in the nation last year for offensive efficiency. He's a 40% 3-pt shooter and uses an unbelievable vertical to contend for rebounds above the rim.

    Backup PG will likely be a true Fr. Cotton Tekele is from Atlanta and was Regional Player of the Year last year in HS. He doesn't look like a Fr on the court. At 6'2" and 197, he's built more like a cornerback than a PG, but he was able to hang with CSU's extremely quick, 5'8" guard who had pretty much eaten up K-State's defenders at the point.

    WSU's game is built around D, getting boards, and scoring in transition. WSU is looking to run on any TO and after any opponent's missed shot. I don't know what kind of foot speed CU has, but WSU has 3 or 4 guys who seldom get beat down the court.
     
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  5. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    I seriously want to get a yearly rivalry going with Wichita State. Their fans are awesome.
     
  6. ShockerHoops

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    Aargh is just one of many that post regularly on ShockerNet. We really have similar fanbases. It is such a shame that we don't have a rivalry, let alone played a home and home before. You'd think we might be able to swing something better than other schools considering Boyle is at CU. But then again who knows.

    Aargh made very good points on our game, and was correct, as I had written this preview even before our scrimmage against ESU let alone our first game against CSU.
     
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    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    :nod:

    Thanks for the additional input, Aargh.

    Here's a quick scouting report on the Buffs this year.

    Starting 5:

    PG Nate Tomlinson - Senior from Australia. Was a bit wild as a freshman and had to adjust his entire game to Bzdelik's Princeton Offense only to have Boyle change it on him to an up-tempo motion offense his junior year. He's usually solid with at least a 2/1 A/T, shoots around 40% from 3pt, and 85% ft. Doesn't look for his shot enough and has had a tendency to make bad plays in clutch situations, so CU fans are generally more critical of him than the straight numbers would indicate we should be.

    SG Spencer Dinwiddie - Freshman from Los Angeles. Top 150 recruit by some services who was a pass-first PG that scored in bunches when his team needed him. Since signing, he has grown from 6'2" to 6'5" and he's really long. Can give some rebounding help even though he's skinny. Good shooter with a good mid-range game for a frosh. More of a finesse finisher at the rim. Good defender.

    WING Carlon Brown - Senior who would have been Utah's leading scorer last year if he hadn't transferred to CU and had to sit out a year. Decent shooter. Very good defender. Crazy athletic. Check him out.

    F Andre Roberson - One of the top freshmen in the country in rebounding last year. Led the team in steals and blocked shots too. Now a sophomore, he has improved as a jump shooter and now needs to be respected from outside. Really tough matchup because smaller guys don't have the size and bigger guys aren't quick enough to stay with him. Example.

    F Austin Dufault - Senior whose game is more like a European center. Really good shooter who developed some post moves and aggression while playing internationally with Athletes in Action during the offseason. Also improved his rebounding. Could surprise people by being CU's leading scorer this season.

    Off the bench:

    PG Shannon Sharpe - Sophomore with ridiculous athleticism. Not a great shooter, but a stop defender. Finally looks close to 100% back from knee problems. ABOVE THE RIM.

    SG Askia Booker - Freshman who was under-recruited because he's only 6 feet tall. Extremely quick. Instant offense type. Needs to settle in.

    WING Jeremy Adams - Top scorer from Mississippi in hs who redshirted at Texas A&M, went to a JUCO for a year, and is a soph at CU this year. We haven't seen him much and he sat out with a concussion in the opener.

    WING Sabatino Chen - Athletic junior who is kind of a hustle guy. Does all the little things and defends well. Can score a bit, too.

    F Damiene Cain - Freshman who was a Top 100 prospect by some ranks who had an undisclosed medical issue and was going to give up basketball. Wide body who is a double-double guy with both an inside and outside game once he's ready. Won't be in Puerto Rico since he just rejoined the team after being medically cleared and he isn't ready yet.

    C Trey Eckloff - Senior who can give some solid minutes off the bench. Hustles, can shoot from outside and may have developed a post move or two for this season.

    C Shane Harris-Tunks - Another Aussie. Sophomore who is CU's main big man even though he comes off the bench. Strengths are setting screens, help defense, outlet passing, rebounding and post D. Runs the court well. Out with a knee injury last year, he looked rusty and like he didn't have his timing back yet in our opener.

    C Ben Mills - Sophomore who is a legit 7'1". He put on 20lbs in the offense but he hides it well. Fairly skilled and hustles, but not ready to be make much of an impact on games at this point.

    We're not as young as most would expect after losing 4 seniors from last year's team, but these guys haven't played together much. There will be growing pains.
     
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    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    Excellent work in this thread to all of you.
     
  9. Aargh

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    I find games more enjoyable when I have an idea of what to look for and some ideas on how some matchups might work out. In league play, we pretty much know our opponents. The cupcake buy games don't have matchups worth watching. I really appreciate it when WSU has an opponent with great fans and we can share some knowledge about our teams so everyone can enjoy the games to the max.

    WSU is likely to be favored in this game, but after reading about the Buffs, I'm not certain that's correct. As one poster pointed out, the Buffs aren't as young as I had been led to believe.

    If the Buffs are using a "European-style" post player, Stutz will be able to deal with that. He's got enough mobility to play on the perimeter - and he's even a decent (?? - 30%) 3-point shooter. He will launch if he's left open. European style post play will not set well with Hall or Orukpe. They are both comfortable around the basket and it's just not in their nature or game to be comfortable floating around on the perimeter.

    I'm reminded of a pre-game handshake statement a friend of mine came up with: "May you play the best you've ever played in your life, because I want to beat you at your very best". I'm anticipating the NIT finals rematch, but getting past the Buffs to get to that game isn't a done deal and will require WSU to play a very good game.
     
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    Mtn..stop hacking people's accounts and having conversations with yourself.

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  11. jgisland

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    this is a great thread, can't wait for this game to tip off.

    this may be common knowledge, but statsheet.com has awesome previews of games from a statistical perspective.

    http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2011/11/17/2011-11-17_wichita-state_vs_colorado

    I know both teams have only played 1 game, but a couple things jumped out to me:

    both teams do a really good job on the offensive boards
    wsu shoots the 3 much better than cu
    very comparative on the "4 factors"
     
  12. Daaah

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    "We don't live in Wichita."
     
  13. Aargh

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    I noticed that CU is playing outstanding FT defense. Holding your opponents to 38.5% from the line will win a lot of games.

    Unfortunately I can't find a really good "I'm joking" smiley.
     
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    I can't think of a more natural rivalry.

    Good thread.
     
  15. Mick Ronson

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    we hate beer around here.
     
  16. ShockerHoops

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    I call shenanigans.
     
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    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    [video=youtube;cRZXEoLgD1I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cRZXEoLgD1I[/video]
    Shenanigans!
     
  18. jgisland

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    anybody want to conjure up a line for this game?

    i am putting this at WSU by 5
     
  19. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I'd put them by 8.
     
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    Witchita state ****ing sucks we're going to beat the **** out of them, the only thing they are good at is bowling. Dre is gonna have 20 boards over their stiffs and we are just gonna out athlete them all ****ing day.
     
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    If you'd really like to get in a trash talking or trolling exchange, just let me know. I got some game. I think I'll just take advantage of a cut-and-paste opportunity. Nothing like serving one up like a T-Ball pitch.
     
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    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    Give 'em the business.
     
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    Kick his ass!
     
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    game just started opening up offshore at wsu -9. i guess i shouldn't be surprised it is this big, CU hasn't gotten any love in pre-season reviews.
     
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    Ruckus Peep my words. Club Member

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    We shouldn't be getting pre-season love. Lost our 3 best scorers and have a young, inexperienced, untested team. I hope we cover, but would not be surprised if we didn't.

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    did you miss out on the the kool-aid when it was passed around :nod:. i agree we shouldn't be getting love, but people thinking we are as bad as utah is downright ridiculous.
     
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    Ruckus Peep my words. Club Member

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    I'm all hopped up on koolaid. I think we are gonna destroy some fools and shock the country. I also see why other people disagree.

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    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    If any other program lost the production we lost and didn't have a few Top 25 prospects coming in, I'd probably think they were going to suck.

    With CU this year, I'm probably being a bit of a homer but I also think you need to look at what we had sitting out last year due to transfer rules and injuries.
     

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