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The case for Dana Holgorsen

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Hank, Nov 22, 2010.

  1. Hank

    Hank Well-Known Member

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    In bold below are the offensive ranks (yds/game) of Holgorsen coached teams. The non-bolded ranks show how the offenses ranked before Holgorsen arrived or after he left. He has taken good offenses and made them elite. His teams have regressed after he left as well.


    This year, Okie State's offense consists of 448 passing attempts and 407 rushing attempts, with Kendall Hunter averaging 5.9 yards per carry.


    I think Holgorsen warrants serious consideration. Thoughts?


    Texas Tech

    2006 7th
    2007 2nd
    2008 4th

    Houston

    2007 4th
    2008 2nd
    2009 1st
    2010 12th

    Okie St

    2009 70th
    2010 1st
     
  2. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    I think he looks pretty good. A little dangerous in that he seems to really be program hopping right now.
     
  3. tante

    tante Club Member Club Member

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    who cares about yards. How did the offenses do scoring points.
     
  4. Del

    Del Member

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    He's got good hair
     
  5. InTheBuff

    InTheBuff Club Member Club Member

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    I'd rank him about 4th or 5th on my list. I like him but below Miles, EB, Richt & Mac-
     
  6. mdelpizzo_1

    mdelpizzo_1 My Dixie Wrecked Club Member

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    meh for me. He will need one hell of a DC to come with him and has he been around any?
     
  7. Hank

    Hank Well-Known Member

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    I think yards is a better stat than points (at least in college). FWIW, Holgorsen does have the #3 dual threat QB committed to Okie St. Don't know if he would consider following Holgorsen.

    My reservation is that I think I prefer a pro-style offense or a coach with a defensive background. (mostly for recruiting reasons). Not sure that I want the spread in Boulder.
     
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    That's all I ever wanted in Boulder.
     
  9. MontanaBuff

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    Dana Holgorsen

    Resume ... Dana Holgorsen, 39, is in his first year as the offensive coordinator at Oklahoma State. Despite his relative youth and inexperience, Holgorsen is considered to be a "hot" prospect for teams looking for a new head coach.

    Holgorsen grew up in Mt. Pleasant, Iowa, and played for Iowa Wesleyan. After graduating in 1993, Holgorsen coached quarterbacks, receivers, and special teams for Valdosta State for three seasons, during which time he earned a master's degree in health and physical education. In 1996, Holgorsen moved on to Mississippi College, where he held down the same three coaching jobs - quarterbacks, receivers, and special teams - for three more years. After one year at Wingate, Holgorsen moved on to Division 1-A, as an assistant at Texas Tech.

    From 2000-2004, Holgorsen was the inside receivers coach at Texas Tech, coaching future NFL receivers like Michael Crabtree and Wes Welker. In 2005, Holgorsen was moved up the coaching ladder for the Red Raiders, taking on the role of co-offensive coordinator as well as the inside receivers coach. Buff fans do not need to be reminded that during the past decade, Texas Tech has had one of the most prolific passing offenses in NCAA history, and Holgorsen helped make it all the better. During his tenure as offensive coordinator, the Red Raiders increased their offensive numbers from 324.8 yards per game to 529.6 yards per game.

    Holgorsen took what he had learned from Mike Leach and took it to Houston in 2008, where he was offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for two seasons. While Holgorsen was with the Cougars, Houston ranked in the top ten nationally in passing offense, total offense, and scoring offense both seasons.

    In 2010, Holgorsen has been the offensive coordinator for Oklahoma State. The Cowboys, through games of November 13th, are ranked 2nd in passing offense nationally (359.1 yards per game), 1st in total offense (547.5 yards per game), and 3rd in scoring offense (45.0 points per game). Oklahoma State is currently 9-1, and ranked 12th in the nation.

    Positives

    - Just glance at the numbers. Whether at Texas Tech, Houston, or Oklahoma State - wherever Holgorsen goes, the offense explodes. Holgorsen may be a disciple of Mike Leach at Texas Tech, but he has taken the passing show on the road, and been successful - quickly - in two schools since then.

    - Holgorsen is 39, and is in a position to establish a name for himself with a national program. It seems like it is just a matter of time before a BCS school takes on Holgorsen as their choice to head a program on his own. Without an alma mater to return to, Holgorsen would not necessarily see Colorado as a site from which to jump to another school, and the NFL has not shown an inkling for completely adapting the Mike Leach style of offense.

    Negatives

    - Holgorsen has not been a head coach at any level. This is a complaint about many "hot" assistant coaches, but with the limitations (facilities, fan base, recruiting) Colorado poses, this is not a factor to be completely overlooked.

    - Holgorsen is from the midwest, and has coached east of Colorado his entire career. There would be no recruiting ties to the Pac-12 region, seen as crucial by many Buff fans.

    - Holgorsen is a Mike Leach disciple. Why would you take the student if the teacher is available? - A question sure to come up if Holgorsen becomes a prime candidate and Mike Leach is still available.
     
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    Jeez, Montana, have you been lurking for weeks waiting to pounce with that information already saved to your clipboard?
     
  11. Hank

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    Rep! Holgorsen does not have the baggage or personality that the Pirate would bring to Boulder. There is an argument that Holgorsen's offenses have out performed Leach's offenses. Holgorsen is likely much less expensive than Leach.
     
  12. Hank

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    What if Okie St hangs 50+ on the Land Thieves? I will be watching that game.
     
  13. MontanaBuff

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    I've got a dozen of 'em posted ... just waitin' for you - www.cuatthegame.com - Click "The Next CU Head Coach Will Be ...".
     
  14. OKCBuff

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    OSU's current QB, Weeden, is very much a pro-style guy. Dana can mold his offense around what he has on the field.

    I would love this hire. He's only program-hopping to get in line for a BCS gig. He'd fit in perfectly in the Pac.
     
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    Do I get credit for the assist?

    It's been about two weeks since I've been over there. I'm overdue.
     
  16. Hank

    Hank Well-Known Member

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    You are probably right. I did read that his offense was simple and easy to pick up in spring practice. I think this is really important for the college game, where players do not have a long time to learn the offense.
     
  17. OKCBuff

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    Yup. Living where I am, I have seen/heard a lot about OSU. And how many teams go 10-1 with a QB with no starting experience and a new OC? It's crazy to say, but Dana and Weeden are the reasons OSU is where they are. I'd love to have Dana in Boulder!
     
  18. tante

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    how about a hybrid like yard per point or something like that. I don't want to have the 2008/2010 broncos in Boulder.
     
  19. tante

    tante Club Member Club Member

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    yeah but your list doesn't have Kirby Smart, Bud Foster or Dave Doeren
     
  20. BehindEnemyLines

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    There's more to it than that. In Okie lite's spring game, the o-line was in disarray - their performance was dismal (not my opinion but that of a former o-lineman on the radio). Couple that with the loss of DezB and everyone thot the cowboys O was gonna struggle this year.

    Now, they're getting excellent o-line play and the "other" receivers have stepped up. It's not just Justin Blackmon (altho, the dude is a freak wr) and Kendall Hunter. I'm sure the OC has alot to do with their turnaround, but props to the line and receivers coaches. They've done a bang up job.
     
  21. White_Rabbit

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    So... he actually calls the plays? I thought Gundy called the plays for OSU? And I find it hard to believe Pirate man was letting anyone else call much. Not saying he's a bad candidate, hard to argue with those numbers, just wondering how much credit he deserves.
     
  22. Mick Ronson

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    Gundy has never had any problem scoring points. or having cool run-pass offenses. Larry Fedora is going to win 8 or 9 games at So Miss. to me, the big diff as it was at Mizzou as far as beating OU....will be Bill Young at DC. OSU doesn't have to be great, just good enough to heat up L. Jones from time to time and have a decent enough front 7 to stop OU's overrated run game.

    Holgerson has done a great job and is hot....but some context here peeps.
     
  23. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    He's a really good coach. Someone's going to hire him and be very happy.
     
  24. BehindEnemyLines

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    Not sure, but iirc, before the season there was a report that Gundy felt like he had to be less involved in the offense. So basically, it's Holgorsen's show.

    fwiw, during the games, Dana H is on the sidelines and not up in the booth.
     
  25. Hank

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    Holgorsen calls the plays at Okie State and he called the plays at Houston. Not sure about Tech.
     
  26. OKCBuff

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    Gundy was told to hire an actual OC this past offseason or that his job might be on the line if they won less than 8 games with Gundy being HC/play-caller. Boone wants to win now. He's 82 so it is understandable. Gundy does not call the plays this year.
     
  27. GregInArlington

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    We will never hire another Dan, or Dana, or anyone with initials DH.
     
  28. Daaah

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    Isn't Dana a chick's name?
     

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