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The offense for next season

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Duff Man, Mar 20, 2010.

  1. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    http://www.buffzone.com/ci_14712652

    I found this article pretty interesting. I will be watching to see how this actually looks on the field. We have some potential at receiver, but I still think we need a true burner to step up at WR for this type of offense to truly succeed. It is also contingent on getting Lockridge the ball in space IMO. We have some good athletes, but we still lack top-end speed that creates matchup issues at many offensive positions.

    The one worry I have is that this is going to lead to too much east-west movement that has been an issue at different times under Hawkins. Too many pre-snap moving parts and slow-developing plays have been a staple of the offenses under Hawkins.
     
  2. mdelpizzo_1

    mdelpizzo_1 My Dixie Wrecked Club Member

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    Its the same offense we have been running, they are just admitting it now
     
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  3. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I'm thinking the Eagles offense based on the OP.

    That offense only clicked on all cylinders when Westbrook was healthy and catching a lot of passes. Can Speedy be more of a threat as a receiver this year? If so, it could be very effective for us. Especially since the screen pass rules are so favorable to the offense in college (OLs can be downfield as long as the pass is completed behind the line of scrimmage).
     
  4. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    It really comes down to lunchpails. How many lunchpails are brought to practice every day is the true indicator of a teams success. Everybody knows that. Who needs an offensive identity when you have 100 lunchpails lined up behind each end zone? Duh.
     
  5. BuffLuKe

    BuffLuKe Club Member Club Member

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    The east west is what bothers me too. If you are gonna run slow plays like that, your oline better be good.
     
  6. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    If we are counting on Speedy being a big part of the passing offense, I think we are in trouble. I have never been all that impressed with Speedy's hands out of the backfield. To me, Lockridge seems like a much better option for the passing game.

    I also am not sure the Eagles offense is a good comparison or a good fit for the personnel either. The Eagles rely a LOT on the vertical passing game. McNabb averaged around eight yards an attempt in 2009 and has averaged around seven yards an attempt for his career. That seems like a stretch for our guys. It would also mean the OL really stepping it up and allowing plays to develop.
     
  7. ScottyBuff

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    This.

    Even then, it only matters if the defense fears being burned deep and doesn't sell out on "run-blitzes".

    We have to run this type of offense, because we have no power running game, no QB with a consistent deep ball, and have shown that we cannot sustain effective drives.

    But the opposition will adapt quickly to it and render us ineffective.
     
  8. BuffsRising

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    Eric Kiesau is a west coast offense guy, so this isn't much of a surprise, or as mdelpizzo pointed out, really a change from last year. we're just thinner at RB this year and deeper at WR.

    The question is, are we going to execute? Running timing routes and ball control passing doesn't work when the o line jumps offsides or blows blocking assignments, the wr's drop passes, or the qb forces the ball to double covered receivers.

    If we'd executed last year, we'd have won 8 or 9 games. If we execute this year, we will have a winning season. But there's no objective reason to think we are going to execute. I hope I'm pleasantly surprised this year, but until I see us play a clean game, we can run the Wing-T or the Notre Dame shift or the veer and it won't matter in the slightest.
     
  9. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I think we've already had designs on having a vertical passing game with this offense, we just haven't been able to execute. Remember the drops against ASU, the overthrows against FSU, etc? Then, when Simas and Hansen finally clicked the last 3rd of 2009 we finally saw it.

    It all comes down to whether the OL can do its job, but we seem to have the weapons at WR and TE to stretch the field or turn short passes into long gains. We also have RBs who are dangerous in space. And we have a QB who can buy time, get some 1st downs with his legs, and has the arm strength to get the ball down field.

    I won't believe it until I see it in a game, but the pieces are there. If it does click, it will be fun to watch and we'll score a lot of points in 2010.
     
  10. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Perhaps. I think a better comparison for our offense would be to look at the 2009 Broncos offense. Occasional attempts to stretch the field but mostly very short passes with the intent to get yards after the catch.

    The Broncos had OL issues and the lack of a power running game working against them too.
     
  11. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    That's pretty much the same offense. Look at the Patriots. Problem is, the Donks had an immobile QB with a water pistol for an arm. So I guess the Broncos 2009 offense is a great blueprint for what we'll see if Cody is named the starter.
     
  12. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    The main difference between the two is the Eagles offense takes a lot more chances going downfield. The Eagles are perfectly content with a completion percentage that hovers under 60% (low by NFL standards) while the Patriots want a completion percentage 3-5% higher.
     
  13. Mick Ronson

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    based on what we've seen so far (and what i saw in my 10 minutes at the scrimmage)....we still have WAY too many routes where the WR/TE catches the ball facing the QB. no YAC with those kinds of completions. you need guys heading downfield, which is also an entire different vernacular of "throws" the QB needs to make.

    skeptical. but, maybe we won't finish last in the conference with the mostly junk and less trunk "Boise Playbook" (still of the great lies of all-time).
     
  14. ScottyBuff

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    How upset would everyone be if Lockridge took over "starter" RB duties from Speedy?
     
  15. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Another good point Mick. You have to position the receivers to have them facing upfield more often if you want YAC to materialize. Hitting them in stride is important, which relies on precision and timing. We have lacked both on offense for much of Hawkins' tenure.
     
  16. Darth Snow

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    not at all
     
  17. aik

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    Best guys on the field. Regardless of who they are. B-Lock was the player I was most anxious to see in the offense in 2009 and was disappointed when he didn't get as many carries as I'd hoped. Whether running, catching or returning, I want to see what he's capable of this fall.
     
  18. Mick Ronson

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    i think Lockridge could give us some home run capability we've been lacking for a long time. since Hugh or Bobby P. Speedy will get his.

    sometimes, when you have a tendency to jump offsides on 3rd and 1 or get sacked out of FG range too often, a home run ball that turns that RB burst past the LOS and the linebackers into a 50 yard score instead of a 25 yarder where the LB or DB comes from across the field to make a play....can make a difference on the scoreboard. a big play is nice, but a TD is the win.
     
  19. BuffLuKe

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    I hope we have Clemons and Simas hold down the outside, or whoever, so Scotty can stay in the slot. I know he plays it alot but he has done both because of our lack of depth. I think Simas, when he gets back if suspended, and Scotty are gonna get theirs. We need that third guy to make this thing work. Whether it's Clemons or whoever, hopefully they can get deep occasionally. Not having that deep threat is killing us. I havent seen Clemons much so dont know what kind of receiver he is. Those that have seen him in practice or otherwise, can he be that deep threat or homerun type guy?
     
  20. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Yes. Clemons is fast, has great burst, and good agility. He's also a pretty good sized WR who can outfight a corner for the ball. He should be our best WR in 2010.
     
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    Ambrose said that Clemons beat Jalil in a race this spring.

    The offense at the scrimmage reminded me more of Boise State, without the effectiveness..... Our Defense was just everywhere at once.
     
  22. Clean Undies

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    CU's offense has been lacking a deep threat for a long, long time. Without the ability to strike with the long ball, it's hard to keep the defense honest.
    The curl route and cross patterns are prone to generate more 3rd and long situations and a few INTs.

    It would be nice to see the QB hit the WR in stride more than a handful of times in 2010. Maybe Prince will be able to coach up Clemons, Simas and Simmons or some of the others and one of the QB's will be able to stretch the field. We'll see.
     
  23. Daaah

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    To be honest, I am really ****ing worried about our offense next season. I don't think we have a qb that is ready to be a big 12 starter, our offensive line has never shown anything and seems to be pretty crap by all accounts this spring, and our running backs look to be among the weakest groups in the big 12.
     
  24. White_Rabbit

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    I just want to see Speedy, Lockridge, Simas, Thornton, McKnight, and Clemons on the field at the same time. That in itself will create a lot of mismatches imo. I'd really like to see what those guys + Hansen could do with an Oregon type of offense, a lot of zone read option, lots of screens etc. I also think Simas and Clemons on the outside will create a lot of underneath stuff for Scotty and others. If the OL can be non awful, I really like our offense next year with Hansen at QB, not so much with Cody at QB.
     
  25. Bolond

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    "We're kind of changing because last spring and last fall we were kind of pounding, and we had the personnel for that type of offense," Hansen said. "We had tight ends. We had good fullbacks, but now we don't have those. We have more speed, more skill guys and more receivers. So now we're kind of playing to that. We're kind of using our short-passing game as kind of that running game. We threw the ball a lot more than usual and I think you guys will be used to seeing a lot more of that."


    BP was our last guy to pound it, and I don't remember us running too much last fall, since we were always down on the scoreboard. Hawk doesn't play or care about field strategy, alas our ongoing special teams predicaments. Otherwise, Lockridge was fun to watch his freshman year, we need him to step-up with our thin backfield. Where in the fuss did our running backs go?
     
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  26. buffsyko

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    So basically, we are going to be throwing 3-5 yd passes and hoping our wr's,te's and rb's can break tackles. I can't wait. :rolling_eyes:
     
  27. Bolond

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    Hawk doesn't believe in offense. He believes in himself.
     
  28. Hugegroove

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    As Buffrising & Buffnik mentioned, proper execution of any offensive play is paramount to moving the ball downfield. If someone is missing a blocking assingment, running the wrong route, false starts, etc then it won't make any difference what kind of offense their running. These issues have been problems since Talkins got here and it needs to get fixed somehow. Oh yeah, and Sackys suggestion of bringing the lunchpale doesn't hurt either.
     
  29. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    This offense is going to SUCK....

    A bunch of slow wide receivers running 2 and 3 yard patterns is Hawkins' version of offense?

    Thank God this is the final year of this crap.
     
  30. Mick Ronson

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    with all respect to Tyler, that paragraph howls delusion or at the very least staggeringly contrary to fact. i guess writing your own history should not be a surprising element of the Hawk tenure. yeah, we all remember when we said that was going to happen.....but, factually, it did not.
     

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