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The Pac 16 ?

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by InTheBuff, May 4, 2010.

  1. InTheBuff

    InTheBuff Club Member Club Member

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    I don't want what's in this article to happen.

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]PAC-10 (16?) [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Arizona
    Arizona State
    Colorado
    Oklahoma
    Oklahoma State
    Texas
    Texas A&M
    Texas Tech
    Washington
    Washington State
    Oregon
    Oregon State
    Cal
    Stanford
    Southern Cal
    UCLA
    [/FONT]​

    http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/story.cfm/story/996380

    This would put CU, TT, OU, OSU, Tex, A&M, AZ & ASU in the same division ..:cry:
     
  2. NW Buff

    NW Buff Club Member Club Member

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    That won't happen. I've said it a few times and posted links to support it. There is no way the Pac10 is going to expand in such a way that one of the existing schools would give up the annual games in SoCal (where all of the Pac10 recruits). In the scenario you put up, AZ and ASU would get utterly $#@#ed.
     
  3. ScottyBuff

    ScottyBuff Well-Known Member

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    I'll disagree with you on this point. IF any Pac schools would do it, it would be the AZ schools. They already are physically very close to SoCal, and are pretty well linked culturally. The Arizona schools would love to get full-time access to the Texas recruiting market and sitting smack in the middle the two biggest recuiting grounds in the west would be just fine with them.
     
  4. ScottyBuff

    ScottyBuff Well-Known Member

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    After reading the article, there isn't any new information or any new "guessing" going on. But the credibility of the author goes out the window when he proposed Kansas State and Iowa State as options for the Big Ten.
     
  5. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    I agree with ScottyBuff, the Arizona schools would look at this as a positive because this would open up the Texas market for them while they already have the California market. As for CU, I wonder if this would possibly improve our recruiting in Texas in addition to the strong recruiting we get from California. This can negatively impact the Oklahoma schools because they would have to get their academics up to par in the Pac-16.
     
  6. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    As for CU, it would be difficult to win in this division while the other schools would be able to prosper. I don't think moving to the Pac-10 is going to instantly solve all of CU's recruiting issues.
     
  7. 92Buff

    92Buff Well-Known Member

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    I hate the alignment listed above...if it was to go that way, I would rather see the Big XII just stay together since that is about all we would get anyways with a heavier dose of the same morons/great destinations we play with today.

    If I were the Pac 10 I would really think hard about who I invite into the league. The brat pack of Big XII schools listed above sure invites the obnoxious $$$$$$$$$ arms race into your own backyard. While they have a few versions of their own in $C and Oregon, adding in T Boone Pickes money and the Texas billionaires brings a whole new ballgame. One that the majority of the Pac 10 schools will probably not enjoy.

    Same goes for the Big Televen....bringing in kNU does the same thing.

    Maybe it's inevitable anyways, but the Big XII brings a whole level of stupidity to the game.
     
  8. SINKRATZ

    SINKRATZ Club Member Club Member

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    That alignment is horrendous. You think the Arizona schools want to join the Big 12 South?? No effing way.

    This would be awful for CU and would not help our Texas recruiting at all. We already have as much exposure in Texas as we're going to get and we are getting killed there. If anything this will help the OK and TX schools recruit better in California which is where we focus. Bad, bad, bad for CU.

    Plus part of the appeal to me is getting rid of road trips to places like Norman, Stillwater, and Lubbock so this scenario blows IMO.
     
  9. NW Buff

    NW Buff Club Member Club Member

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    I agree with your point, mostly. The other thing I see is that the AZ schools (and AZ in general) very much identify with the west coast. As SINKRATZ says, there's no effing way they join the Big 12 south. And I still don't think they'd be willing to give up an annual trip to socal.

    It's fun to argue all of this. We won't ever have to worry about finding out who's right, however.
     
  10. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    I totally agree that the AZ schools would hate this, and they should because they get totally ****ed in the deal. The question is, can they stop it? And if they can't stop it, what alternative do they have? Go join the WAC or Mountain West??
     
  11. Mick Ronson

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    i was born here, and came back to Colorado.....but i went to HS in Norman after my mom remarried and went to 5 or 6 OU games.....and i don't get this argument. if you are going on vacation, go on vacation. if you are going to a college football game, there aren't many places better than Norman. and as a CU fan, go in there and win is great. the tradition is palpable. you'd rather go to Corvallis or Tempe? not me.

    Lubbock, Stillwater, i get. but Norman is a lot of fun on gameday. good bars, hot coeds, good golf in OKC. it's a football game, not the Italian Riviera.
     
  12. NW Buff

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    I get the impression where I live that the individual schools actually have a pretty big say on the expansion issue and probably the power to block it if they don't like it.
     
  13. SINKRATZ

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    Sorry, Norman may be fun on gameday, but if I'm packing the wife and kid and traveling to a road game you're never going to convince me that Norman is a better spot than SoCal, the Bay Area, Seattle, Eugene, or AZ especially for a family. At some point the game ends and if I'm traveling all the way out there I want something to do or see besides a cool sports bar or the Oklahoma countryside.

    Plus having more than 2 dozen CU alums in attendance would be nice too.
     
  14. sackman

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    :yeahthat:

    Norman is a good football town. The bars are better than you'd expect, too.
     
  15. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Tell me Sink, have you been to OSU in 2009 or TT in 2007. If you did, tell me what you didn't like.

    Stillwater & Lubbock are my two favorite B12 away destinations.
    Both have brand spanking new stadiums. The Boone and Jones are very nice facilities to watch a football game.
    Both OSU and Tech have fans go out of their way to be pleasant to the dozen or so CU fans who bother to show up. The amount of beers that are handed out and pleasant conversation that ensues is top drawer, from my experience.
    Getting to Lubbock is really easy by air. OSU...not so much. I'd go back to either Stillwater or Lubbock ahead of any other B12 destination not called Boulder. And, yes, that includes Austin (105k fans makes for a hellish traffic jam. Fans treat visitors like cat toys) or A&M/OU (visitor sections suck. Aggies are freaks. OU fans are basically NU fans in a deeper shade of red).

    For anyone who hasn't seen the new stadiums or haven't tailgated in either location, I recommend checking those two places out before writing them off as sh!t holes.
     
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  16. neil29fp

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    Lubbock is terrible.
     
  17. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    generally speaking...yes. On football Saturday, not so much.
     
  18. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    As already discussed, the roadies are about more then what happens on saturday for quite a few people. It's a weekend, not a day.
     
  19. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    This IS a football forum. I have yet to hear from anybody who has actually been to Lubbock for a game at the renovated stadium and had a bad time.

    If you like mountain biking or hiking, Palo Duro is near Lubbock and has some great trails. The Cadallac Ranch on Route 66 is a great place to empty a case of spray paint.

    You just don't get it.
     
  20. SINKRATZ

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    I don't dispute the quality of the stadiums or the people, they're fantastic, my problem with those places is that the game is 3 hours long and I have to keep a wife and kid entertained for the rest of the trip (assuming I convince them to go in the first place).

    As nice as the stadiums and people are, there is just way more to do and see in the more metropolitan locales of the Pac 10 - and it's a much easier sell to the family.

    I'm also jumping to the conclusion that CU attendance at Pac 10 games will be much better than the handful that show up in Lubbock or Norman. Judging by the interest in the Cal game this year, I feel prety good about that assumption. It makes for a much more enjoyable experience for fans traveling to the game if there's a large contingent of alums there and the parties/tailgates/golf outings that go with it.

    Didn't mean to bash the Big 12 locales, but I'd go to L.A. over Lubbock 100 times out of 100.
     
  21. NW Buff

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    The thing is that I will probably never experience Lubbock for a game because I have no desire to travel to Lubbock. If I'm going to spend my money and my time traveling someplace (even for a Buff game) it's going to be someplace I want to go.
     
  22. Mick Ronson

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    visitor section at Folsom is no great shake. you stare into the side of the Dal Ward. at least 20 yards north of the endzone. the field of play is only slightly visible. i sat there with a family friend who works at KU in Hawkins year 2.

    i agree about ATM. those people are weird. i'd like to say their folksy ways are charming and "down to earth"....but, they are creepy. texags.com is the most unintentionally hilarious site on the net.
     
  23. sackman

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    Many people here are going to the Cal game next year. I guarantee you it's not because of the awesome game-day experience in Berkely.
     
  24. zbuff

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    The conference and division CU ends up in has little to do with our success on the field. We wouldn't win in the MWC with the current administration's desire to win.
     
  25. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    I hear you. Lubbock was one of the last B12 locations on my list because of it's reputation. I went and had one hell of a time. My message is, don't knock it 'til you try it. In 2011, Hawaii and TT are circled.

    Here's my deal on the Cal game. It's Sept 11th. School is back in session. Is anybody really going to be pulling their kids out of school for more than a day or two? If the game were played during summer vacation, well, yeah, of course the wife and kids are going to come along. But when kids are in class, it takes a pretty special wife and kid to agree to the big family vacation.

    Football weekends are all about the quick strike. Get in on Thurs PM and check in. Spend all day Friday looking at the campus, play a round of golf, find a sports bar or brewery and get your drink on. Satuday = 4 hours of tailgate and 3.5 hours of game. If your team wins, you go back out and tear up the town. If you lose, you call the airlines and see if you can change to the 6AM flight to be back with your wife and kids.

    Am I missing something?
     
  26. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Thats a great idea. however, I've been to lubbock (not game day). I've also been to a lot of Pac 10 cities. Let's see what other people say.


    Exactly. There are other options that offer far more than lubbock for the majority of people. People need to make choices with limited amounts of $.

    Here we go. Many other people do things differently than you. There is a reason you are one of a few dozen Buff fans in Lubbock. That's what you are missing.
     
  27. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    I saw a Wyoming game from the visitor's section. At least in Folsom, there is only one level of bleachers. No upper deck on that side of the stadium. Being on the NW corner, the sun isn't in your eyes. The sidelines are tiny in Folsom, so Ralphie's arrival in the trailer is entertaining even from the top. And being in Boulder, it's not going to be over 100 degrees. I'd take Folsom's visitor section in a heartbeat over the upper deck and sun in your face seating at NU or Texas. The sidelines are a lot bigger at KU, A&M and OU. The sitelines are so bad at those 5 that I recommend using stub hub to find something closer. The A&M cannon they fire is right in you ear, which sucks. At OU, you'll spend alot of time looking at replays on the south videoboard, with your back to the game. Plus the 100th rendition of Boomer Sooner will drive you to poke your car keys through your ear drums. I won't miss those experiences.

    KSU and TT puts you in the endzone, low to the field. Not bad. Baylor and OSU don't sell out, so if you don't like your view, you can move.

    I am looking forward to the Pac10 locations. Variety is the spice of life. But I do not like flying into LAX and dealing with LA gridlock. It will take the Buffs coming to the coliseum or rose bowl to get me to voluntarily go to LA.
     
  28. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Snow- How many days did you go skiing again this season? I seriously doubt that you are a very good representative of most people on this board when it comes to issues of time and money.

    I bet more CU fans would go to away games if their visitor experiences weren't limited to CSU and the odd bowl appearance, B12CG or the once in a lifetime obligatory kNU road trip. A lot of CU fans simply turn their noses down on football east of the Colorado state line.

    I'm telling you, if you can swing a $150 RT flight from DIA to Lubbock, pick up a $40 rental car and a $75 hotel room, you'll have a good time and pay less than a weekend in Vail.
     
  29. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    That went right past you. I never said I was representative of the board. In fact, the point of quoting all those people was to show that there were lots of other opinions on how to spend a weekend. And lots of reasons why CU fans simply turn their noses down on trips east/south/north of the rocky's. CU attracts a certain type of person. That type of person generally doesn't like the Lubbock's of the world. Or at least, not enough to travel to see them.
     
  30. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Oh, believe me. I get it.

    I'm merely providing a public service. If you have better things to do with your time and money on Oct 22nd, 2011 than be in Lubbuck cheering on HC Eric Bienemey's Buffs, then so be it.

    But if you are thinking about a roady in 2011 that's a little more affordable than Hawaii, then I recommend Lubbock. It may not be sexy on the front end, but for those who make the effort, it will be a good time.

    As DBT would say...Capice?
     

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