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This is why the RMS needs to go away

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by dio, Aug 30, 2014.

  1. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

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    There was an article posted yesterday about why most coaches laughed at the thought of playing a rivalry game in Game #1. This is the exact reason.

    I'm not a fan of HCMM's recruiting, but we knew this was going to take time. We are playing with the 11th youngest team in the nation. We came out and had opportunities to get way out ahead of CSU, and we failed. CSU comes back and smacks us in the mouth and we crumble.

    Now look as this board. Filled with posts about lost seasons, about firing HCMM. Is it appropriate for that level of pressure to be dialed in to the coaching staff after one loss in the season? I don't think so, not with the nature of intense rivalry games. But we, as a fan-base know we're playing a lopsided series, one that we SHOULD be winning all the time, even now. To be forced to play a neutral site game against a highly motivated opponent in game #1 puts a new staff and a young team in a bad spot when things don't go our way in an opener.

    This isn't to excuse the performance, but the total meltdown we see on this board is as more a result of losing a rivalry game to open the season - when the season has no context - then it is about receiving one loss.

    With where the Buffs are today, they should be tuning up against the Weber States of the world in game 1, not playing high intensity rivalry games at a neutral site. Fans get to enjoy Folsom and leave with a nice taste in their mouth, team get's to identify some areas to focus on without dealing with this meltdown
     
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  2. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    I prefer to make this statement after a win. While I agree, it feels less sour-grapey that way.
     
  3. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

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    I can appreciate that [MENTION=6425]Orr[/MENTION], but this is a game that we currently win 66% of the time. I feel, that for where the program is RIGHT NOW, that we should be playing games where we should have 90%+ chances of winning in game 1.

    I would be much more open to playing this game in Week 2 or Week 3, and playing it back on campus.

    And I understand that it sounds like sour grapes, but I've been saying it for years... and watching the game last night reminded me of some of my feelings about the game.
     
  4. J.R. Ewing

    J.R. Ewing Club Member Club Member

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    Agree whole heartedly with what dio said.
     
  5. sopranobuff

    sopranobuff New Member

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    Honestly, yesterday's terrible stadium commute was reason enough for me to get rid of this game. The game itself and our crumbling D-line just intensified my bitterness.
     
  6. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Yeah. For me, I just don't care enough about playing CSU to want to deal with the hassle.

    Every year, my internal debate is whether I want to see friends at the tailgate enough to justify going down to SAF for a game against an unranked MWC team. CU's bad. The venue sucks for college football. And the opponent doesn't sell the game for me. I would have probably had more fun if there had been a watch party with some of you guys at one of our homes.

    Anyway, I avoided posting in this thread because I didn't want it to come across as a "sour grapes" post. But I think my feelings about the RMS are well-established enough that you all know that the results aren't factoring in for me on this one.
     
  7. Val

    Val Active Member

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    I don't give a **** if we play them or not. Just move the game back to campus.
     
  8. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    I don't mind the RMS at SAF.

    I can only manage to fly up to a limited number of games each year. When planning a trip, the CSU game is the first one scratched off the list. Now that I have been there and done that, it makes it easier to select any other option.
     
  9. sopranobuff

    sopranobuff New Member

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    Agreed. And/Or don't put it on the Friday night before Labor Day weekend so rush hour traffic doesn't quadruple my effing commute.
     
  10. ramU

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    This whole thread is definition of exCUses. C'mon both teams are playing on the same field with the same thing on the line. You win some you lose some. Such a sour attitude. Commuting from Fort Collins is hell, took two hours of taking back roads to get to game. People who stuck with I25 were stuck for 3 or more hours. I have to say the whole mindset of the CU fan and culture of the school is disgusting. No wonder your not successful, expect the world, your way or the highway.
     
  11. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I don't see any excuses. This thread's not about what happened on the field. This thread is about not liking this game for a whole host of reasons. The dialogue has been the same for years on here, win or lose, good or bad weather, day game or night game, regardless of playing on Friday/Saturday/Sunday. It's hard to justify this game as a good thing for CU to have on its schedule and the overwhelming majority of CU fans don't like playing college games in NFL stadiums -- as we were talking about in the thread about the Wazzu-Rutgers game. In this thread, dio pointed toward what other coaches are saying and how they are opposed to playing an emotional type game in week one. It's just one reason of many that this series was ill-conceived for CU.
     
  12. Val

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    JM will be gone in two years anyway. Enjoy it while it lasts.
     
  13. ramU

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    CSU is willing to pay whatever it takes to keep him. As of now he's promised up to 3 million a year in contract
     
  14. ahoelsken

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    I agree with Dio, but for different reasons. I feel like our Athletic Department has punished season ticket holders by forcing us to have to buy tickets (pretty big revenue stream) to suck up to the students. I don't blame them for looking at football as not much more than an excuse to get drunk.......I don't blame the students, but I don't like wasting one of now 3 OOC slots on this game.

    Not only that, why do we need to practically finance their AD by playing them? I guarantee you the revenue from this game is no worse than the third biggest moneymaker for the CSU Athletic Department.

    The media coverage of this game has become a joke-The week of the CSU game is always the same week as the Broncos' fourth preseason game, so the Denver media jumps all over this for 4-5 days because they don't have anything else to cover, and they all sound fake or like CSU homers as a result. Did anybody hear Suzy Wargin last night before the game? She would not stop talking about how great she thinks this game is for "our state". Of course she thinks that-she went to CSU. Not only that, let me get after the FAN morning show, too. Somebody texted in late last week asking them to talk about this and college football in general. Mike Evans blew it off, and they of course managed to intermingle it with an absurd amount of Bronco talk this past week, even though the only thing Bronco wise to talk about was a glorified scrimmage Thursday night. Is it even the biggest story on denverpost.com right now? No, the Bronco cuts are. If we decided to pay our way out of that contract, they'd blast the CU AD for a few days, and then would go back to talking about the Broncos non-stop.

    As always, there is the ultimate fair weather fanbase-CSU. I see the "I care one week a year" mentality a lot with the CSU fans I know, and its hilarious. Half of them probably don't even know who they play next week. They come out for this game every year, and I would bet that less than 40% of those people will drive to Hughes for their game with UC Davis.
     
  15. Val

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    Cuz we all know coaches always honor their contracts. Lol

    Like I said above. Enjoy it while it lasts. JM has bigger ambitions than CSU.
     
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  16. CrosbysLeg

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    The only reason CU plays this game is for in-state recruiting. Otherwise, there is absolutely no reason why we should play it. It's poorly attended, and if we win, it's expected. A loss is catastrophic. Get rid of it.
     
  17. BuffLuKe

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    Ill say one simple thing, it meant more to them than us, it was pretty clear.
     
  18. Val

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    The only reason we keep on playing this series is Mike Bohn.
     
  19. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I don't think in-state recruiting factors into it. The recruits from Colorado we want are looking at us versus Nebraska, Kansas State, Stanford and Arizona State. Playing CSU in Denver doesn't do a thing to turn them on (although a loss will make recruiting them almost a hopeless cause).

    This is a typical Mike Bohn scheduling thing. It's a good revenue game for CU every year, so it helped his budget. It's a game that students get excited about so it's a big "pageantry of college football" game. Strategically, for recruiting, program perception and anything else that matters if your focus is on building a great, winning program, the game is either neutral or negative. Even Bohn said that if he'd known that we were going to be moving to a 9-game conference schedule he wouldn't have signed the contract on the series extension.
     
  20. BuffLuKe

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    What can u say? They punched us in the mouth constantly and our guys didn't respond, harsh but true. We don't have toughness yet, twitter doesn't count. Gotta earn that ****. You get swag how?
     
  21. KyleM.

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    We go live to the CU boards ...

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  22. BuffLuKe

    BuffLuKe Club Member Club Member

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    We had swag at one time but no more. We used to me meet teams like the U at midfield. Need that back, you can do it right and still be nasty.
     
  23. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Looked awfully sunny out for that to be a reaction to the game last night, Kyle.
     
  24. HuskerHater

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    He must have a good camera:)


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  25. buffedup

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    This is where you are so effing wrong, but a Ram fan simply will never see it. Both teams are NOT playing with the same thing on the line. CSU is playing a game with absolutely no pressure to win against a P5 opponent with all of the pressure to win because it is expected. CSU gets a P5 feather in their cap and huge props for winning, whereas CU gets a W in the win column that is nice, but not really impressive given it is over a MW team. Throw in the in-state rivalry thing with CSU players being brainwashed with the supposed lack of respect/disdain that Colorado apparently feels about CSU and you have the players frothing at the mouth to play the biggest name opponent on their schedule.

    Of course you will never understand because you aren't in our shoes.
     
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  26. 14er

    14er “Imitation is suicide.” -Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    Confucius say man who ride fence, piss off both sides.
     
  27. KyleM.

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    Wish I could go to a frat party, that would be awesome.

    The commute back to the Fort only took an hour, but we left Mile High around 1 a.m.

    Still don't know what to make of that game, but I'm pretty sure CU isn't as bad as they played in the second half. I fully expect them to come out and drill UMass. Definitely agree that there's a lot more pressure in the RMS on CU.
     
  28. CVilleBuff

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    CU on the road is never to be trusted.
     
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  29. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Maybe he'll understand it this way.

    It's kind of like when CSU played North Dakota State a couple years ago. Every Ram player knew that was an opponent to be respected and that they had to take care of business. But it's the NDSU players who had a chip on their shoulders for the game because they wanted to prove something in that game.
     
  30. KyleM.

    KyleM. Recruiting Moderator Club Member

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    Take it this is directed at me. I'd love to solely cover CU, but I don't have credentials and I'm not sure it was ever an option this season. I do have CSU credentials and opportunity to cover a D-1 football team and I'm running with it. It's a good chance to get some experience. I make hardly any money off writing and I do it because I love it. I could have cared less who won the RMS last night and that's the truth.
     
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