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Those blaming Hawk for lack of assistant changes....

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by PhillyBuff, Dec 14, 2009.

  1. PhillyBuff

    PhillyBuff Club Member Club Member

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    If Hawk fired these assistants, who would be available to come here for one year to coach for a lame duck coach?

    What quality would we get?

    CU elected to keep Hawkins and have given the impression that he is on thin ice. To me, that handcuffs him tremendously in his approach to recruits and hiring coaches....

    I think this is more of a CU problem than a Hawk problem.

    I feel bad for the guy. It would be easier if he were fired.
     
  2. Sportsfan101

    Sportsfan101 Active Member

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    Therein lies the problem with the decision to keep Hawk.
    I've said all along if you keep Hawk, he will have the worst recruiting class in the B12 this year and won't be able to attract quality assistants.
    What is the status of the Dirk Koetter talk?
    God forbid he come to CU -- I don't know what the fanbase would do if there was actually some good news coming out of the athletic department.
    Oh well, at least we have men's basketball, right? No? OK -- women's basketball? No? OK -- cross country. Cross Country FTW!!!!!!
     
  3. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    True. All the more reason to do what had to be done. Now it is just worse.
     
  4. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    You feel bad for him? Really?
     
  5. Ruckus

    Ruckus Peep my words. Club Member

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    I'm not going to feel bad for a guy who is making millions of dollars "coaching" a football team. I wish he had succeeded hear and I supported him for a couple of years, but he just couldn't hack it.
     
  6. sliderNcider

    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    Anything is an improvement over Riddle on ST's.
     
  7. 96 Buff

    96 Buff Resident Commie Bastard Club Member Junta Member

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    I used to feel bad for him. But that definitely stopped after he got retained for ****ing ****ty on-the-job performance. Even the AFL-CIO or UAW would've canned his ass.
     
  8. sliderNcider

    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    I like how we all seem so afraid that it could get any worse. 3-9 is about as bad as it gets.
     
  9. 96 Buff

    96 Buff Resident Commie Bastard Club Member Junta Member

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    No, 0-12 is as bad as it gets.
     
  10. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    And Riddle makes a LOT of money compared to most coaches on this staff.
     
  11. BlackNGold

    BlackNGold Club Member Club Member

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    In the business world the CU AD would be considered a turnaround candidate.

    The problem comes from the inability from Hawkins and Bohn to acknowledge that a problem exists. You can change your self-image if you acknowledge the shortfalls and lay out a plan to correct the situation and start selling the plan.

    By Hawkins claiming that everything is okay and that things are ready to pop just insults the intelligence of the fans and the media. Since CUs market audience does not share the vision of Hawkins, CU has created a worst situation by dismissing the concerns of that audience. Acknowledging the concerns would go a long way to helping things.

    Instead CU finds themselves in total siege mode with their fan base as the barbarians at the gates. The media will just echo the fans.

    So CU has bet "the house" on Hawkins actually turning things around and having a great team next year. That is like drawing to an inside straight...you might hit it but the odds are slim. This is a bad business move.

    The problem you are discussing is just a result of CU's bad tactics.
     
  12. BuffaloChuck

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    Much less the recruits. Asst Coaches often change jobs; it's just one more job. But for recruits, this is the basis for their whole future.

    And so, when doubting the quality of asst coaches who'd willingly join a lame-duck coach "for one more year", the bigger question is - what about prospective recruits?

    YEAH... THAT. This is why CU Football's been placed under a sword of Damacles. "Can't afford the buyout" is one reason - but what about recruits. Can THEY afford to keep changing coaches? And why bother? "Any place but CU" might be one of their considerations.
     
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  13. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    Nobody is forcing Dan Hawkins to remain at CU.

    If he wants out, I am sure he could throw his name out to some of the current vacancies around college football.

    To date, there have been 14 FBS vacancies. If Dan Hawkins wanted out of CU, he certainly could have applied. Frankly, I think schools such as Marshall, Akron, Buffalo, Louisiana-Monroe, UNLV, San Jose State and probably even Memphis would have given Hawkins pretty serious consideration.
     
  14. sackman

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    And we'd probably even waive the early termination clause.
     
  15. PAHIBuff

    PAHIBuff Club Member Club Member

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    Good Post. Yeah, the difficulty lies in Hawkins/Bohn believing their own B.S., i.e. they were the "solution" but in reality they are a worse problem than the "problem" was. Bohn has to admit 3 huge failures: 1) hiring Hawkins, 2) extending Hawkins, and 3) keeping Hawkins. Those would get you canned at a school that cared about its program. As for Hawkins, he has to admit to an all-pervasive ineptitude; hard to do for anyone I would guess. Their fallback position is to deny reality; that's lots of work and it's never successful. They are showing us a fuzzy test pattern and telling us it's a great TV show. Major disconnect. Gimme the remote. :smile:
     
  16. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    #1 was not a failure. Hawkins was the winningest coach in the nation when CU hired him. On top of that he was a PR dream, much needed after the PR nightmare that preceded him.

    #2 and #3 = definite failures.
     
  17. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    I can absolutely blame hawk for this ****. His sucking got us to this position. Buck stops with him, everything else flows from the Bird****.
     
  18. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    I don't even think extending Hawkins was a mistake. It was a mistake for ND to extend Weiss after 6 games in his first year. Extending Hawkins 5 or 6 games into his third year was a calculated risk that most of us believed would pay off. It didn't, and so now we have to deal with the consequences. But keeping Hawk certainly is. However, I'm still not sold on the idea that keeping Hawk was Bohn's idea. I think the guy is being thrown under the bus.
     
  19. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    The biggest problem I have with the extension was that Bohn was in a position of strength at the bargaining table, and came away with absolutely nothing. No reduced figure for buying him out of his contract, no reduced salary with greater incentives, nothing. Basically the exact same deal for five more years, when Hawkins hadn't done anything to earn it.
     
  20. JimmyBuff

    JimmyBuff Well-Known Member

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    I call bullsh*t on this.. Illinois just hired about 4 coaches where the head coach is on a hot seat just like Hawk is.. They are plenty of coaches out there that would take the challenge to turn it around in one season.
     
  21. White_Rabbit

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    I don't think we're making assistant changes for the better because Bohn is a vagina for not forcing changes and Hawk refuses to believe his guys suck as coaches.
     
  22. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    If a new DC comes in here and lights it up, but the team as a whole still sucks (poor o-line play, bad special teams, lots of turnovers), he could emerge as the front runner for the HC position. The idea that we couldn't get good assistants because Hawk is on a one-year leash is silly.
     
  23. Buttermaker

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    Yeah but that locked in a coach that seemed to be doing everything we wanted at a relatively low salary. He is #11 out of 12 in terms of pay in the Big XII. It looked like we got good value at the time. Didn't see this implosion happening.
     
  24. JimmyBuff

    JimmyBuff Well-Known Member

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    Exactly.. Nebraska found out that Pelini could coach in Solich's last year and after their Callahan's experiment, they went back to Pelini to rebuild their program.. Its nothing but BS that Talkins couldn't find competent coaches out there. They are plenty of young coaches out there waiting to puff up their resumes.. You go in for one year and CU has a decent season, you will be in high demand for other jobs. .


    Only losers just shrug their shoulders and say "Oh it can't be done" and make excuses instead of just doing it. Typical loser mentality (I would say another thing too, but I don't want this to be punted into the politics thread)..
     
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  25. buffsyko

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    Hawk will stick with "his guys" to prove he was right and if it doesn't work, he'll say they did a great job and that the players didn't buy in or were told what to do and they didn't do it.

    He's all about being right and can't fathom the thought of him failing or making a bad decision. EGOMANIAC.
     
  26. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    You know what? At this point, the one thing I'm convinced of is that the culture that Hawkins is trying to create does not mesh well with the culture we had prior to that. Maybe the best thing is to stop trying to blend the two. Let Hawkins do it completely his way with a staff that drinks Hawkins Kool-Aid juiceboxes by the truckload. That way it's got a better chance of succeeding (if it's a good way and winning culture) or it fails without any excuses or questions on whether they knew how to do this thing.
     

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