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Trouble in Chapel Hill - BREAKING: Butch Davis fired

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Duff Man, Jul 15, 2010.

  1. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Just thinking about this. What is a coach/admin supposed to do to stop this ****? I mean, what if a player is doing this stuff but just lies?

    Here is what I'd do. I'd set up monthly interviews with each and every player. Or, even, develop a "form" that they have to fill out each and every month. I'd ask all the obvious questions like, "...", well all the obvious questions. Maybe I would also require receipts and stuff. So, thinking about this more, why doesn't the NCAA set up rules for tracking this stuff? You know, rules that require player's signatures? Yeah, I know. There are endless measures one can take and endless measures that cheaters can implement. Its like "radar gun...radar detector...laser...laser detector...etc."
     
  3. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    So that's how Butch got all those good defensive players to go there. :lol:
     
  4. Creebuzz

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    You stop this crap by giving the players a small stipend, say, $350 a month so they can take a girl or two out on a date.
     
  5. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Hmm. Now I'm glad Butch didn't come here.
     
  6. DBT

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    Sounds great. Problem is, only a handful of schools could afford it. Plus, you could not just do it for football and men's basketball. If you open that door, all programs, soccer, skiing, volleyball, etc. will want it. It would kill a ton of programs.
     
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    Good point. If you gave that to every scholly athlete it would be over a $1MM a year by my guess. I have distinct memories of some players bumming pretty hard about their recreational finances in Boulder...that was 20 years ago. I felt bad for them then and do now. The temptation to take the bait must be intense.
     
  8. OKCBuff

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    These kids get excellent, FREE, educations. That should be enough.
     
  9. chipwich

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    Paging FC. :lol:
     
  10. Hank

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    Well, maybe the kids at KSU should get stipends.
     
  11. OKCBuff

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    Heh. Well played.
     
  12. dyemeduke

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    ...many players come from public educations that aren't worth ****; they come to school unprepared; many come from very poor backgrounds (I'm not talking lower middle class); and DI athletics for a legit program is like a full time job.

    Yet the NCAA makes tons of money off of them...television rights, video games, etc. It is not enough nor is it right. I do not have the solution, because paying players opens a pandora's box...but it is not enough for many players. It isn't right for these kids to be taking money under the current laws, but at the same time, people should not come down on them if they do. Understand that "enough" really is dependent on the situation/circumstance.
     
  13. Darth Snow

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    And this discussion begins again, round 500026213462364
     
  14. PhillyBuff

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    I side with whoever makes the next good argument!
     
  15. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    Just football players get this stipend? Or every single scholarship athlete on campus? And who is going to fund this stipend? 85 football players at $350 per month is $20,400 per month = $250,000 per year. And that's JUST football.
     
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    Uhh, methinks it is actually the coach's fault, which likely explains how Davis got a bunch of blue-chippers to come play football in Chapel Hill.


     
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    Rep!

     
  20. leftybuff

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    How about an AB stipend? It takes a lot of time to post here.
     
  21. fatbuff

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    But, You're getting a damn fine FREE education.
     
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    That might be good enough for an average player, but if you are a Reggie Bush - you have been living in a getto all your life. You are 17 maybe 18 years old. A smoocher offers you $250,000?
    To be perfectly honest - I'd be tempted as hell. Keep the vultures away, but it's easier said then done.
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    And to this I say: What responsibility is it of the school to take care of that stuff? Also, no one is forcing these kids to subject themselves to this. If they can't swing it, maybe they shouldn't accept the scholly. Most of these kids are getting a huge favor just getting an offer like that to go to school. They need to feel fortunate for that and take full advantage of getting their education.
     
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    It is impossible for a 17 or 18 year old guy to know and understand what his expenses will be at college and the scholarship offer makes it appear that everything will be covered, and more.

    And expenses vary greatly from player to player: does he have a car? does he or his parents pay the insurance? who pays for travel to/from college if he's out of state? What about a computer or laptop -- who pays for that? There is not a school out there that will imply during recruitment that what they are offering isn't going to cover everything in a generous manner ... but quite simply, it does not. And unfortunately, the morass of NCAA rules designed to protect the system from bribery and other dirty doings, also prevents need-based assistance to scholarship athletes. And on top of that, they aren't even allowed to earn more than $2000 a year from ANY part time job they secure.

    Even teammates cannot help each other out (see USC's Matt Leinart and the apartment he shared with a wide receiver -- with Leinart 's dad picking up the majority of rent for the premium real estate that the WR could not afford.)
     
  25. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    So this thing has become bigger than just the agents. Several players got work done by a tutor and are likely to be kicked off the team. It sounds like UNC could end up losing as many as EIGHT defensive starters as a result of all of this.:wow:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5501067
     
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    Yeah, you'd think so, but a lot of these guys have zero spending money by the time they've paid for rent and food. (You don't get a break living in Boulder in a place that costs upwards of $700 a month.)
    And they are NOT ALLOWED to have a part time job that makes more than $2000 per year, so that's less than $175 a month they can supplement.
    I wrote a blog on this one day when I had too much energy.
     
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    When the tutor has a relationship with the head coach, it's hard for the student/athlete to stop the train and say "wait, is this right? Is this okay?" because it really does seem that it's sanctioned by the guy who is running the show.
     
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    Butch never seemed like a straight arrow to me. Those Miami teams seemed a little suspect to me as well.
     
  29. fatbuff

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    Lot of people wanted to see Butch in Boulder.
     
  30. Duff Man

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    Yeah, the fact that Butch's nanny is the tutor in question is really shady. Something is up with an arrangement like that, will be interesting to see if Butch can survive this scandal or not.
     

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