Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by SINKRATZ, Jun 29, 2010.
Good on ya, Tubs. At least the man is honest.
Ol Tommy, coming from the SEC, sees this for what it is - a sham.
The unfortunate thing is that the "forgotten five" (ISU, KU, KSU, Mizzou, and Baylor) were left in a position of being stranded in no-conference at all, or hoping to join Conference USA or the MWC or something, where they stood to lose significant revenue. ($8 million payout under old Big 12 scheme vs $1 payout under MWC scheme.)
They really had no option but to take the money Texas promised, because, even with the incredibly different payouts UT demanded, because they would have been financially bankrupt without it.
Absolutely correct. They had no choice, but you know they're all keeping their options wide open. I'm sure KU is burning up phone lines to the Big 10, SEC and maybe even the Pac. Mizzou will leave about a half second after they get their offer from the Big 10 - and I still believe that's on the horizon. Mizzou is too geographically well located to be left on the sidelines. Their athletics don't totally suck - they're far better than what we have at CU at the moment. Oklahoma and A&M, while financially better off than the rest of the little 9, have to be chafing under the overbearing influence of UT in the conference. Their only leverage comes from the fact that they *might* leave. Not a good situation to be in.
Tech, Baylor, ISU, KSU, and OSU are screwed, long term. They all better hope the Mack 10 sticks around for a long time because they won't have anyplace to land once it falls apart.
The problem for most of those teams is -- they have no other options.
OU and OSU are going to be locked together, probably the same as KU and KSU are locked together. I don't think the respective states will allow them to split apart into separate conferences. I am somewhat surprised the states have allowed them to separate their revenues to such striking disparity.
Mizzou might have other options, and Kansas might have other options. Baylor, ISU -- no options whatsoever.
OU's president came out and stated that the Sooners did receive an invitation to join the SEC, but they have made it pretty clear that they don't have any desire (guts) to leave the University of Texas.
Good for Tommy to speak his mind it almost seems like a little of the pirate rubbed off on him.
If that's truly the case, he's a moron. Seriously. That was an incredibly stupid move on his part. I wonder if he's blowing smoke on that issue, because I find it incrediby difficult to believe that anybody, much less a University President, could be that stupid.
This tells me that what we all suspected about UT jamming the rest of the conference is probably true, and Tech was one of the "haves" that actually got a Pac invite.
It also tells me the other Pac invites must have been contingent on UT accepting. It's awesome that we had an unconditional offer - I am just amazed how well this worked out for CU.
Tubby knows a shakedown when he sees one. Chip Brown hatchet job on the ingrate Tubby to be posted on Orangebloods.com in 3...2...1....
Colorado having an unconditional offer was a blessing to be sure. I can only assume that was because they knew we would go along with Utah if the PAC 16 failed, which seemed to be a scenario the PAC 10 liked as well. Nonetheless a blessing.
If OU truly turned down an SEC offer they are morons. The SEC and Big 10 will always be at the top of the heap for money due to school demographics, populations demographics and midwest/east coast bias/TVs. If they truly declined I tend to think it was due to fear of competing with the schools in the SEC rather than being attached to UT. OU could potentially be a middle of the road team in the SEC and certainly would not be a perennial power like they are in the Big 12 lite.
UT and Oklahoma have no balls. They are like a small little fixed dog that barks a lot and once a big dog comes their way they run and hide. Both schools know they would get their ass kicked in the SEC and if they joined the conference. The lock on their in state recruiting would break and they would be reduced to going 7-5 and 8- 4 every year. Even now they schedule a bunch of push overs with UT maybe playing one half way decent non conf game every year or two.
I don't believe there was the political will for OU to join the SEC since it would have broken the Big 12 and left OSU out of the picture for joining a new BCS conference.
Here's an article on it. http://content.usatoday.com/communi...n-says-sooners-texas-am-had-sec-invitations/1
It doesn't sound like OSU was invited to the SEC, which probably was the dealbreaker for the Sooners.
And here's another story which indicates the Big 12 South schools were a package deal. http://enidnews.com/sportslocal/x383281614/Boren-SEC-invite-wasnt-OUs-best-option
Look at their roster. I would guess about half of their players come from Texas. They need that connection to fuel their recruiting.
OU needs Texas for recruiting. I think there is a chance OU ends up in the SEC but that is years from now. but i don't think it's total to say OU has no balls. they play a solid OOC. Texas doesn't. I think OU kept it's powder dry in all this.
While that certainly was a concern for OU, I don't totally buy it. They had quite a few good years in the Big 8 with plenty of Texas talent. Little brother OSU holding them back sounds more plausible to me.
They also played Texas while in the Big 8; Texas has threatened to boycott any team from the South who leaves. That would seriously hurt OU recruiting.
Not so sure. UT needs the RRS just as much as OU. I think UT would continue the series even if they went their seperate ways.
What is great about when UT decides to join the Pac, and it is coming eventually, CU will be a full voting school along with Utah and there is no way UT will get any more than equal revenue sharing. I think this could still happen in about 2 years when the Big 10(12) decides to try gobbling up some east coast TV market.
If push came to shove I don't think there is any way Texas would have dropped the OU game. It means quite a bit to UT. Especially now that game is being played in Jerry World. That was a hollow threat in the case of OU. If OU had gone to the SEC I am not convinced recruiting would have been impacted. Any perceived negatives regarding Texas recruiting would have been balanced out by moving to a far superior conference. I still think OU was more afraid of becoming a mid-tier program and likes being a big dog.
Agree. I think the threat to drop the aTm game was very real, though. That got the politicians to pressure Aggie into staying.
P.S. Sending a little rep your way. Welcome to the board.
Thanks for the welcome. I should have joined earlier.
No ****, ****-jammer.
Now pay your $15 for a membership like the rest of us.
And get me a beer.:thumbsup:
Most people consider OU the big brother to OSU. But after spending considerable time in and around OKC and Tulsa at my previous job, it seemed to me that the overwhelming influence in the state's business world came from Ok-State, not OU. When you add in OSU's dominance in many non-revenue sports like golf and wrestling, I am not convinced any longer that OSU is the little brother. Amazing how football has such far-reaching influence.
The biggest thing is -- Oklahoma's legislature is probably 75% - 80% OSU grads. Farmers and ranchers and that type of thing who have used the county ag services and OSU extension offices every year for their entire life.
OU isn't going anywhere without OSU being there with them. David Boren is an amazing politician - he knows where OU's bread is buttered.
this is all about football, it always has been and always will be.
Hollow threat or not, I think it scared OU. Recruiting would definitely be impacted. OU gets a huge number of players from Texas, a lack of exposure in Texas would truly hurt. It is true that they would be moving to a superior conference, but where would the players come from if they lose the Texas exposure?
It was a straw man to begin with. OU would have probably gone into the SEC with A&M. Problem solved. Actually, two problems solved one is that it keeps their recruiting link with Texas open, and two marginalizes UT.
If the door is still open on this deal, OU needs to move. OSU be damned.
A&M is probably what killed the OU move due to their very real fear of losing the Texas game.
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