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Urban Meyer? More like QB Dumpster Fire!

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Recruiting Central' started by Buffenuf, Jun 5, 2016.

  1. Buffenuf

    Buffenuf massive tool

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    Re tOSU: Meyers not known for developing great prospects for the League. Almost all of his guys seem like either "system" guys, especially at QB (Tebow or Alex Smith anyone?) or good, athletic kids who make it on their own talent, irrespective of coaching (Elliot). Meyers is an "assembler of recruited talent" rather than any sort of developer of talent.
     
  2. onealcd

    onealcd Club Member Club Member

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    So you think a coach who has won three national championships isn't a good developer of talent? Yes he is probably the best recruiter in college football but that doesn't mean he can't coach, quite the opposite actually.
     
  3. TSchekler

    TSchekler Darth's Hero Club Member

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    He's specifically referring to his development of QBs, and I would say there is evidence to support his claim. Urban is a great leader, recruiter, coach, and developer of talent... For his system at the college level. He couldn't care less about developing NFL capable QBs.
     
  4. onealcd

    onealcd Club Member Club Member

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    I guess I just wouldn't say that having two qbs drafted in the first round from two different schools is not developing talent. He also left Florida with two qbs that ended up getting drafted this year to go along with cardale jones getting drafted in the mid rounds. There are tons of qbs that get drafted out of spread systems every year, Mariotta, Lynch and goff come to mind so when you compare Urbans qb development to others it is very good.
     
  5. TSchekler

    TSchekler Darth's Hero Club Member

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    Alex Smith is the most successful NFL QB coming from the Urban Meyer development tree and that was during a time before the NFL knew that his QBs don't translate wel to the league. Also, not all Spread systems are created equal.
     
  6. onealcd

    onealcd Club Member Club Member

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    Well I guess what I am asking is what coach in college football is doing a way better job developing qbs? Jimbo?
     
  7. skinsfan55

    skinsfan55 Club Member Club Member

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    I think the point he was trying to make is that if you're a young QB with pro aspirations, Urban Meyer might not be a good for for you. That's the case with a lot of top programs I'd wager. A lot of top programs seem to have a system where players are interchangeable parts which makes sense as to why they're so successful. Programs that aren't as talent rich need to play to the strengths of their players a lot more. It's less about the system and more about the individual. For most positions that approach doesn't matter, but for a QB, it does.
     
  8. PAHIBuff

    PAHIBuff Club Member Club Member

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    FWIW, remember that two of the top three QBs in this year's NFL draft were from North Dakota State and the Univ of Memphis. You can overthink this stuff.
     
  9. Buffenuf

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    Name a QB he developed, from a nobody to a draft pick. Name a DB or a OL. Not saying he isn't a very good coach, but he's an aggregator of talent, not a developer. Pretty much the same is true of Saban or Les Miles. Both excellent coaches, but their players come "pre-packaged". Peterson at UW or Harbaugh are developers of talent.
     
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    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Alex Smith and Eric Weddle are two easy answers.

    As far as stockpiling talent, I am glad that is exactly what the coaches are trying to do in this. Great players want to play together. Hopefully Martell is a real catalyst in that regard.
     
  11. Medford M.

    Medford M. Well-Known Member

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    You guys realize Alex Smith is a really good NFL QB right?
     
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  12. FLounder

    FLounder The Buffs will rise again! Club Member

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    Unfortunately Allbuffs is encapsulated in the 2005-2012 era. This explains everything.
     
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    He is?
     
  14. LongHaulBuff

    LongHaulBuff Club Member Club Member

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    No
     
  15. onealcd

    onealcd Club Member Club Member

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    Alex Smith is definitely not "really good" but he has been a long time NFL starter.
     
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    I hate perpetuating this debate in a recruit's thread, but Alex Smith is, on a spectrum of all NFL QBs, a really good NFL QB. Alex Smith is one of 680 QBs to be drafted since the merger. Among those, Smith:
    • Is one of 54 QBs in that timeframe to be his team's primary starter for 8 years or more, and next year will be one of 48 to do it for 9 years or more.
    • Has started the 46th-most games over that timeframe. By the end of next season, he'll likely be in the top 40.
    • Also will likely be in the top 40 in terms of career passing yardage by the end of next season (#50 currently). He has an outside chance to be in the top 40 TDs as well.
    • Has the 30th-best TD/INT ratio
    • Has the 20th-most rushing yards
    So, by many statistical measures, he's one of the top ~50 QBs since 1970 right now, which puts him in the top 7-8% of QBs over that timeframe. He also probably has another 5-6 years left to improve upon that.
     
  17. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    That is enough talk about Alex Smith or anything else unrelated to Tate Martell's recruitment.
     

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