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Venables defense.....

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by LongHaulBuff, Nov 21, 2009.

  1. LongHaulBuff

    LongHaulBuff Club Member Club Member

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    Being shredded by Taylor Potts. 281 yds and 2 td's with 11:00 left in the 3rd.:wow:
     
  2. SanDiegoBuff

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    They've just gotta cut down on the gashers.
     
  3. buffwings

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    perhaps Venereal isnt as great as a coach as we thought, or is losing some of his luster.
     
  4. zbuff

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    A little offense helps a lot, and the RS freshman Landry isn't getting it done. OU's season went down with Bradford.
     
  5. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    OU has shown a tendency to really struggle on the road with 1st year QB's.

    That being said, the defense has been particularly poor today. Looks like a crappy bowl for OU this year.
     
  6. buffwings

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    sadly, I'd take that for our Buffs. :sad1::cry:
     
  7. ScottyBuff

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    Same issues for USC and OU (of course OU didn't plan on it). It is extremely rare that you can put a BCS title contending season on the shoulders of a freshman QB.

    Even Florida had Leak playing as the starter to "ease" Tebow into the college game.

    Just goes to show that the parity in college football is fairly close. With alot of QB's not willing to sit behind other players, it really puts pressure on younger and younger players to step up when called upon.
     
  8. MiamiBuffs

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    Goes to show you that with 85 Scholies its harder to be consistent year over year over year. See USC as well. Its pretty hard to be awesome every year.

    OU has had a lot of injuries.
     
  9. CUwhit21

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    Look up what OU did to Crabtree and Harrell last season. That was after Tech beat Texas.
     
  10. CarolinaBuff

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    :yeahthat:

    The 85 scholarship limit did more than anything to bring parity to college football.
     
  11. MiamiBuffs

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    It was a smart move by the 'have nots' like Louisville, TCU, ECU, and on and on to break the stranglehold on talent that ND, OU, Alabama and others had on the system.
     
  12. JimmyBuff

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    Not true.. Talkins has been very consistent year over year with 85 schollies at CU. .:smile2:



    Venables sucks. Looks like a dork.. I don't want him as coach.
     
  13. MiamiBuffs

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    Then we disagree. I'd take him over Squakins tommorow. Im not convinced Hawkins is done until they actually fire him.
     
  14. JimmyBuff

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    Venables doesn't excite me.. '


    Talkins is done.. Stop worrying..
     
  15. CarolinaBuff

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    But the "have-nots" aren't the ones who implemented the 85 scholly limit, it was the NCAA. :confused:
     
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    Right. And who makes up the NCAA's membership? The various schools that have joined. Who are the people who pay the NCAA to exist and have a say in the NCAAs governance? The Presidents and Chancellors of the 100+ D1 members thats who.

    These are the same people that block the NCAA from ending the bowl system because all the members know playoffs will not be as lucrative.
     
  17. JimmyBuff

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    Miami forgets to mention that in 1990 the NFL began to allow juniors to enter the NFL draft so players are also leaving earlier thus opening up spots for scholarships.. The big time schools always get the big talent and there always has been players that slip through the cracks that were under recruited or underrated coming out of high school and settle at a smaller school.


    I think the scholarship limit is an excuse when the big programs start losing.. It sounds good in theory but is it reality? Not really. The big coaches always find a way to win.


    Has it had an impact? I won't deny that but has changed the landscape of college football? Not really... BYU won a national championship in 1984 with the full 90/95 scholarships. Have we seen a smaller school from a non-BCS conference win a championship with the 85 limit? Nope.
     
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    Funny how Oklahoma, Georgia, USC, LSU are all down this year and were on top of the world the last few years. Huge recruiting classes - how do they have a down year?

    Crappy or very young QB's....
     
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    youth and injuries.

    (i can see a mushroom cloud........)
     
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    Following Soonerball since V's arrival, he's usually had a stout front Defensive 7 and an incredibly lousy secondary. Sometimes, Venebles fields a poor defensive front, too, but he's always had terrible secondaries. He must be proud of that - he does it constantly. In a conference with QBs that can actually hit the broadside of the barn more than a few times in a game, this is BAD.

    In bowl games, where he'll play the Boise type teams with QBs able to hit the broadside of a barn, it's bad.

    He needs to coach in a conference where QB accuracy is terrible.

    I just can't figure out why he gets 2 out of every 4 bluechip DB, year after year, but still only develops an occasional lineman or LB.
     
  21. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    Venables is an LB coach. Mike Stoops was the DB coach.

    Bobby Jack Wright became the DB coach when Mike Stoops left for Arizona.
     
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    Coaches don't use the rule as an excuse. Its just me and all Im saying is that if OU and USC each 100 Scholies would they have lost as many games this year?

    To furhter my point, 85 scholies exposes the ineptness of some coaches.

    I was not aware of the 1990 rule change. I thought underclassmen always were allowed to go in.
     
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    Am I the only one that keeps reading this thread title as, "Venerial Disease"?
     
  24. MiamiBuffs

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    So your the Kuala killer.
     
  25. BuffaloChuck

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    Walrus, you are not the only one. But if CU would take Venerial Disease, or Greg Davis out of Texas, CU would be The Favorite Opponent for either OU and Texas, and would be hated by the other for not taking their bad penny.

    In looking at the last four years of just the Texas Top 100 HS recruits, I see 4 out of 7 top DB recruits always choosing OU, and the remaining 3 splitting up between Southern Cal, Miami, Florida, Texas, Florida, A&M - even Notre Dame snagged two.

    How can OU continually have such poor secondaries? And it's been more than just these last four years - as stated, OU's secondary has always been the weakness that was exploited by any decent QB - look at their bowl game losses.

    This past weekend's loss to Tech - against a fairly inaccurate QB (relatively speaking, "inaccurate" compared to Tech's prior decade) - showed up in spades. But that was a game where even OU's Front 7 were playing like castrated lambs.

    Venebles wins recruiting wars, that's certainly true. And he's got a LOT of his players who've earned great kudos in the NFL - I think that is a great goal because he can use those names to win more recruiting wars - "Join OU because OU has a strong history of turning out NFL stars, not just backups and scout-squad players."
     

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