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Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by lawdogg, Sep 3, 2014.

  1. lawdogg

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  2. Uncle Ken

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    They take these things very seriously. I laughed. Spoiler: He didn't get the house.

    I'm not sure why Carolina doesn't like these guys. They're the closest thing to the SEC without being the SEC.
     
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    I'm sure Oregon is up to no good, but that Lyerla guy is a disaster. Not sure anything that comes out of his mouth can be seen as valid.

    Also..

    [video=youtube;yoy4_h7Pb3M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoy4_h7Pb3M[/video]
     
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    I think we all know who that "booster" is.
     
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  6. CarolinaBuff

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    If it makes you feel any better I do like USC (and yes, the Pac-12 USC)
     
  7. Uncle Ken

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    It actually makes me feel worse.

    Holy ****! I hate those guys so ****ing much! Really? Out of all the Pac teams? You choose the far-and-beyond doooooshiest one?

    For the record I hate Oregon too.
     
  8. PhillyBuff

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    I am now of the opinion that these kids should get whatever they can.... with these new TV deals in the hundreds of millions and the schools profiting off of free labor where a kid's body can be destroyed..... the current system is taking complete advantage of college football players....

    now I know this is a booster thing..... not really the school that is promising this kid something.... but by all means.... if a wealthy man/ woman wants to pay for a college football national title, I fail to see how that is different from the NFL...... let the kids get money.
     
  9. Colorado Track Fan

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    Ncaa/college generates big bucks because people support and want to watch the school. It's not about the players. There are minor leagues in many other sports and nobody cares about the minor leagues because they are not the best of the best. The money involved is minimal. Would you pay to watch the current cu team if they were a minor league pro team without any ties to your school. Obviously not. How many people would show up to watch the current cu team play CSU if neither team were affiliated with the schools? Friends and family of the players only.
     
  10. PhillyBuff

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    I am not really sure I understand what you are writing about..... But If I had free labor in my company..... I would be doing much better.

    And yes..... I am watching Colorado football even though we are terrible and they ARE the minor leagues..... I am spending my money on season tickets and I live 1700 miles away from Boulder..... So I am spending money on minor leagues...... Does that refute your entire post or do I have to address more issues?
     
  11. Colorado Track Fan

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    The money should go back to the school (not the ath dept) to an operating fun with the intent to reduce tuition for general student body. If players are not satisfied with the scholarship money and all of the other benefits they have the option of not playing.
     
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    They get paid about $43,000/year at CU currently.
     
  13. PhillyBuff

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    is that in state or out?

    is that negotiated? or told?

    is that what their skill is worth? Does the entertainment industry value their services at $43,000 per year? I don't think so if it is worth it for people to "pay" these people under the table.... I think that fact alone supports my argument that these kids are not getting paid what they are worth.....
     
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    Great points. It's a flat rate with no performance incentives, no wage increase opportunities, for out of state tuition. But also we would need to factor in the increased earnings of a Bachelors over a high school education, as well as opportunity cost of lost salary for the five years while in college. That'd be a cool rough analysis, Philly.
     
  15. PhillyBuff

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    I was on the side of keeping the college game pure and these kids are getting value for their services playing college football.... I don't feel that way anymore because of the Conference TV deals now.... The system just doesn't make sense to me. Every time I see Mark Emmert (NCAA President) speak on TV I get sick to my stomach because I feel that he is completely profit driven and capitalizing on using rules to fix his employee costs at WAY below market level.
     
  16. Gary Indiana

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    I am in the camp of not paying NCAA players. My reasoning, the players entering into college athletics are in a binary situation. Either you move on to play professionally or you move on to a career in another professional vocation.

    For those that move on to the pro ranks, the school you attend provides you room and board, a professional S&C program, dietary and supplemental consulting, and most importantly a place to showcase your talents so that you can be seen by your prospective employers (NFL GMs) competing against other candidates for the job. You can leave at anytime to chase your dream and make millions of dollars. You are not required to give the school anything for the rest of your life.

    For those that do not make their pro dreams a reality or simply were not of that caliber to begin with, you get an education from a quality institution free of charge, that will help propel you to future success in whatever field you wind up in. Not happy with just a Bachelors? Save a year of eligibility and transfer to a Masters Program and come out of your 4 years in far better shape than most students who attend college, including myself. Zero student loans and a Masters degree ready to enter the workforce at the age of 22/23.

    Do the colleges make millions off from these kids? Absolutely. But acting like these kids are victimized and should be compensated like employees is a big stretch in my view. Example: A kid could be a 5 star QB out of HS but if he never attends college or competes at the next level would anyone even draft him? College is the greatest platform for a marquee player to showcase their skills. Then they go on to make absurd guaranteed money at the age of 21.
     
  17. Colorado Track Fan

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    What I am saying is that you would spend money watching your school regardless of who was playing. The attraction is the school, not the players. The school is generating the revenues, not the players. The assumption thrown around is that the players are making all of this money for the schools is bogus. Not to mention the fact that they get probably a few hundred grand worth of tuition, food, books, lodging, medical care. Etc. if anyone is getting the raw end of the deal at cu it's the school. The players are crap and should be very happy with the deal they are getting. Where else could they be compensated in the fee market for their football skills.
     
  18. PhillyBuff

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    I want your business model for my company... I want people to come work for me so they can showcase their talents for their next job.

    Again... I would agree with you except these new conference TV deals are proving to me that this is a business. If the colleges would treat the income side of football like they do the expense side of football, then I would support your views.

    Colleges are now marketing their product to generate maximum revenue. Colleges are able to attain FALSE profits by maximizing revenue and ARBITRARILY creating rules that minimizes their labor costs, thus creating false profits. Colleges want to be treated a free market on the income side, and a restricted, tax exempt market on the expense side. In essence, they are having their cake and eating it too.... and they are eating your cake as well......
     
  19. fatbuff

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    Less than 2.5% of college players ever make an NFL squad. I hope you cant compare that to your business model.
     
  20. PhillyBuff

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    I think that supports my argument. If the 97.5% of the kids that don't make it to the NFL can create that type of revenue for colleges, don't you think they should be paid for it?

    Do you think that these kids are generating revenue for colleges?
     
  21. Gary Indiana

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    - It's called an internship. Many top legal firms and brokerages on wall street do this as well. Come in and show us what you are made of and we will pay you, or wash out.

    - The colleges are making money you are correct. Why you have such a problem with it is beyond me. I hope CU makes millions hand over fist and continues to upgrade my alma mater. Do you feel bad for someone like Johnny Manziel? Manziel will make millions in guaranteed money and even more in endorsements and he will probably not be in the NFL in 3 years. He is able to do this because of the mutually beneficial relationship he had with TX A&M.
     
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    Recruiting's complicated enough as it is. Even with assumed benefits being given out by some colleges, putting that in the open wouldn't help things. It works now because it's all done by shadowy boosters. Imagine coaches openly negotiating with the 20th 3 star prospect in their class who's choosing between all of 3 offers. I think I'd lose my taste for the sport after seeing that go on every year.

    All other major domestic sports league operate with a draft for a reason.

    You can compensate athletes more, but without some standardized system--i.e. cost of attendance, or salary cap of some sort--it would be a mess.
     
  23. PhillyBuff

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    you are aware that some states are making it illegal to not pay interns.... right? It is the same argument and College Football is the most Egregious in this situation.
    You are trying to convince me and I pay my interns. I have hired a summer intern every year since 2002 and we pay them.

    You have every right to have your views about the concept of a person working for free. I see a genuine unfairness about that. I believe that every person that works for me deserves to be paid or I wont hire them.

    You are also comparing a for profit company to College football that wants to be classified as something other than a for profit company.

     
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    "We've assigned our top investigators to the allegation."

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    I am glad you treat your interns well and please continue to do that, as I am sure we have all been in their shoes at some point. But here is a hypothetical for you. What if you were paying for all of your interns room and board and giving them world class hands on training, while knowing full well that in a couple of years these interns were moving on to a larger company to make more than you do as the CEO/President?

    I wish you would stop comparing what is happening on a large scale with the NCAA to what you as a small business owner does. They are not the same.
     
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    They are not the same.... I agree..... and I was on your side of the argument until it became clear to me that these college kids HAVE a skill that generates MILLIONS of dollars but the NCAA wants to limit what their labor costs are.
     
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    The ones that have the skills to generate millions will earn millions, and those earnings will be a direct result of the talent they showcase at the college level.

    Who fills FSU's stadium? Jameis or the starting long snapper? One will be a millionaire next year and the other will be on his way to a good career with a degree in his hand and not a penny of debt. Seems fair to me.
     
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  29. PhillyBuff

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    Screw it... I will bite.....

    these college football players have been training in high school for their skill. The school goes after them so there has to be a positive value in having these players some to their school. This "world class hands on training" that you speak of is beneficial to the EMPLOYER to keep their players on the field. The money that is generated by these players is a direct result of their labor RIGHT NOW. It makes no difference of they "MOVE ON" in a few years because these "interns" are absolutely generating money NOW for colleges. There is absolutely NO valid comparison or analogy that someone could make to argue that these players are like interns. Interns are at companies to learn a skill and the assumption is made that interns can not perform an employable skill yet because they are not ready. However, in this situation, the player is clearly ready to hone his skill because the player is doing it and the college is making money off of it.

    How can you argue that these players are leaving in few years when that is the system that they are in. Don't you think that the players make the colleges money during those years that they play? It is the colleges that created the rules to make them move on in 4 years..... But I believe that the school benefits from that... its not a COST to them as you imply in your argument
     
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    Players should be paid and should have disability benefits for injuries suffered while playing.
     

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